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So now we're gonna toss it over to a,
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more of a serious man matter.
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Oh, Trump has 91 cases against him.
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Did you know that I knew he had a lot of cases
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One, I didn't know 91.
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Exactly. So actually to break down a little bit of what's
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going on in Trump's world,
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we have Nikki mccann Ramirez,
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a politics reporter from Rolling Stone joining us right now.
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Nikki. Can you hear us?
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Yes, hi. Thank you for having me.
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No. Yeah. Thank you so much for the time and
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for coming on. I'm not sure if you caught what we
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were talking about right now about Trump's,
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91 cases against him.
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Well, I did but I have to clarify one point.
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It is not 91 cases so much as 91 specific individual criminal
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counts that does not however include civil litigation.
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Sorry, what was the last word?
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So it's 91 criminal counts spread across maybe half a dozen cases
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That number does not include any other civil litigation,
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criminal versus civil court that Trump is involved with.
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One example of the civil cases is the ongoing Eugene Carroll defamation
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trial. What would you say is the most serious case?
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Like in your opinion,
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the most serious case?
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So the way I look at it is there's sort of what
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I call the big 32 of them I think are a little
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bigger than the third.
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The two big ones that are ongoing right now being the DOJ
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election interference trial and Georgia's Rico case against Trump and more than
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a dozen of his allies alleging that the president tried to interfere
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with the election results in the state of Georgia.
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The third one is the Eugene Carroll case.
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Mostly because I think now that a jury has found Trump liable
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for abuse and defamation.
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It goes to show that juries in this country are amiable to
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ruling against a president even if it's in a civil court.
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The DOJ election interference case is currently in a bit of
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a stalling phase because Trump is arguing before the DC Federal Court
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of Appeals that he as president or that presidents have the right
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to commit crimes. Basically with impunity.
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The argument that Trump and his attorneys are making before the US
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Court of appeals is that a president cannot be convicted or prosecuted
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for a crime that was committed while he was in office unless
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he's first impeached by the Senate.
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So basically, if you're president,
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you could do whatever you want.
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Like this is what it sounds like.
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That's insane. To me,
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the Federal Court of Appeals is a panel of three judges and
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they'll decide on the question,
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one of the judges asked Trump's attorney.
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So hypothetically if the president ordered seal team six to kill his
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political opponent, would the,
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would we be able to prosecute the president for that crime,
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the crime of murder,
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of ordering an assassination?
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And Trump's attorney responded yes,
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but only if he was impeached first,
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which that just sets up the scenario that,
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you know, if a president hypothetically had his political opponent assassinated
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and then resigned from office,
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you couldn't prosecute him or if the plot wasn't discovered until after
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he left office, you couldn't prosecute him.
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It's, it's an absurd proposition,
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but it's currently being argued in court and we expect a decision
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from the Court of Appeals later this week.
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And if the court does not rule in Trump's favor,
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it's expected that he will appeal to the Supreme Court.
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But thank you so much.
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Thank you for your time.
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We honestly appreciate all the knowledge you shared and hope you can
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join us again in the future because as we know,
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this is only like scratching the surface.
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we're excited to keep diving in with you.
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I had so many note cards any time.
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But again, thank you Nikki and hopefully again,
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we have you back on soon.
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Of course. Thank you both.
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