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J.Lo Needs Perreo and Sephora Kids Need To Chill

February 26, 2024
Party supplier Javier Navarro shares what happens after you steal a centro de mesa, Erika Hoff, PhD talks language and identity in bicultural moms, Prof. Jillian Hernandez weighs in on J.Lo’s attempt to capture the zeitgeist, and beauty influencer Sonia Ramos has words for Sephora kids.
Show transcript
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Let's go. Yes,
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welcome to Lincoln Bio.
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I'm Jenny Alejandro and we've got a packed show for you guys
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It is stacked,
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it is stacked. We're talking make up thieves.
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A deadly protest and bilingual personalities as well as kids are taking
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over. Sephora. Interesting.
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We also have mob uniforms striking out.
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We have breaking news.
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Apparently. A rod is Dominican and J Lo hits a new
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globe. Well, we have Latino,
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let's get into it.
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Cesar, did you,
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what happened in DC the other day?
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No, I actually haven't,
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brother. What happened?
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Crazy stuff going on.
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So 26 year old Aaron Bushnell,
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a US Air Force active duty member set himself on fire
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in front of the Israeli embassy in Washington DC.
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He, he was quoted as saying he would no longer be
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complicit in the genocide going on.
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Bush now was protesting the war between Israel and Palestine as
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you know where Israel has killed nearly 30,000 Palestinians.
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And while standing in front of the Israeli Embassy,
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he poured gassing on himself,
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you know, caught himself on fire,
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yelled free Palestine. And meanwhile,
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a cop was just standing looking at him pointing a gun at
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him. Wow. And did he pass away?
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Yeah. Unfortunately he was rushed to the hospital but he didn't
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make it. Oh my gosh.
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Michelle Mack of Bonsell was the ringleader of an organized national crime
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ring that stole nearly $8 million worth of makeup and other goods
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She would then sell the products on her Amazon storefront.
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Damn. Damn. So that's where all the,
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the, the, I see all the Ulta is being robbed
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and everything. So that's what,
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that's crazy. Mack is accused of paying as many as 12
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women for the travel expenses including providing a list of retail
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stores for them to hit.
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Apparently she hit stores in 21 different counties across California.
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They were busy. This sounds like a Netflix series waiting to
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happen, brother. I mean,
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I wanna know like how did this come to be?
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You know, because I keep seeing the videos of like Ulta
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and Sephora being like kind of like the like broken into or
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just people just grab and go and you know,
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get away. And so do you mean to tell me there
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was a lady behind all of the like a lot of these
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not all of them but a lot of these maybe like
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damn, allegedly, I don't know but who do you think
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should play this crime boss Karen?
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Let us know in the comments,
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let us know in the comments.
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Don't you just love baseball sister?
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Oh brother, you we,
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if my daughter's uniform.
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000, no, no,
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I'm ready to hit some diggers.
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No. Ok. Well,
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what do you? Oh,
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my God. Sorry.
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It's a little uncomfortable here.
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makes a little see through to me.
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Well, I think that's the style for this.
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I wasn't even trying to look but it was just there.
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I mean, so mob,
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spring training just kicked off and they're being very,
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transparent about what the,
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the season holds for us as you can see here
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the new Unis are looking good like the Giants
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I can see now why they call them the giant sister
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That's all I'm gonna say.
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Oh, I can't,
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I got a ground rule.
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Double shout out to my baseball.
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You're out of here getting worse.
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I mean,
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I guess it's,,
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you get,,
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the Dodger Dog literally on the field.
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That was not that bad.
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But can we go back to the other one?
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No, don't go back,
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bro. Like Mob.
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Oh, I do.
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He looks like he's doing that on purpose.
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Maybe his girls in the stands.
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Well, they do say they do say that baseball players got
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nice rectums, like rectums got nice booties got nice butts.
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We'll leave it at that.
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I mean, they're,
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they're leaving nothing to the imagination as you can tell Ruben.
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What do you think?
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Yeah. Anyways, so Nike actually designed them but get it
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But, but they're manufactured by fanatics.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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and it looks like under armor had something to say
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We got you covered literally.
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Yeah. I mean,
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there's nothing revealing about that,
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keeping it, you know,
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family friendly for when you're there on the field.
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That's no fun. I'm just kidding.
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It's gonna be an interesting season to say the least.
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Thursday. I just,
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so, what are Sephora kids like in,
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in the, do you know what they are?
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Brother kids And Sephora that like Sephora kind of?
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Well, look in the past year,
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a growing number of Children and young teens dubbed Sephora kids have
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shown a heightened fascination with beauty and skin care,
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I would think because of social media,
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right? These kids are into makeup,
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skin care routines often showcased by older influencers and role models.
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You know it because I mean,
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it's like a more like our millennials are the ones,
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you know, the influencers that are kind of just being displayed
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on tiktok and all this and they're watching and they wanna get
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involved. I don't know.
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But this trend raises concerns about its impact on Children,
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including questions about self image,
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beauty standards and the influence of social media on their development.
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So people think that these kids are too young for make up
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Like when did you get your first like big girl makeup
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palette or with me?
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It was my Quince.
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So once I hit 15,
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that's when my parents were like,
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OK, Y Puedes PTE mascara,
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you know, little things.
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Their big thing was the mascara,
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the mascara. I think everyone kind of started with the eyeliner
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mascara. When did you start?
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I'm just, well,
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I mean, I,
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I never, I just put on moisturizer now.
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yeah, I don't know.
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I feel like,,
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today's generation is different,
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so, I don't know.
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Again, what's the right way and the wrong way you're gonna
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have to know you're having a daughter or you're having a baby
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girl. So what,
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what age would you allow her to wear?
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Make up at least 13.
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But again, we'll see when I get there.
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Well, brother joining us today is Sonia Ramos mom and makeup
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influencer to share her perspective.
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Sonia, welcome. Thank you so much.
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So, I'm not sure if you heard our story with,
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was it Sephora kids?
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What do you think about this whole thing?
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You know, I think it's awesome that kids want to have
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a skin care. But I think,
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you know, when they go to Sephora,
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they make a mess.
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And so this isn't a plague,
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you know, a playroom where they can just mess a whole
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bunch of products up because,
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you know, when I went to Sephora,
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I seen the whole mess,
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you know, during some of the displays and I was just
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like, is this real like,
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oh, it is real.
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So it was just a mess.
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I just think like there's no wrongdoing when it comes to like
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young women or even boys wanting to do skin care.
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I just feel like,
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they just need to be respectful when it,
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when they go to Sephora and actually,
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like, you know,
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samples are samples but they're not like a little playground where,
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you know, they're trying to build a skincare smoothie like you
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do that at home.
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Well, how young is too young?
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What, what do you think,
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like for, for kids wanting to explore with makeup and skin
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care?, you know,
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with my kids when they were teenagers,
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I would, they would just have a basic cleanser.
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If they had acne,
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they would have an acne treatment and a moisturizer and sunscreen.
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It was very, very simple.
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If I have a skincare routine,
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I'm not going to go and tell my 19 year old son
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oh, you should do a retinol routine because he doesn't
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need it. They have very young bouncy hydrated skin.
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I wish I had their skin.
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You know, I'm 46 years old.
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And so you, you start seeing,
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you know, as you age,
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you know, different things and different needs that your skin needs
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But like they do not need any of that.
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They just really just need to focus on moisturizer and protecting their
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skin with sun honestly.
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And can these kids mess up their skin by using these kind
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of products? Like the retinol that's very active,
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like vitamin C? They don't need nothing to brighten.
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They don't need nothing too plump,
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they don't need hydrating under eye.
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I just feel like the parent is responsible for this.
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They are kind of like they should read the ingredients on it
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and say, you know what?
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This is too much of an active like,
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do you need an exfoliant?
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No, you don't.
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Do you need Hyaluronic acid?
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No, you don't.
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Your skin is very youthful,
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very plump and you know,
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those products are meant for people that don't have that anymore.
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And I know you mentioned like the sunscreen is obviously something that
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you recommend to everybody.
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But is there any specific makeup,
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like items that I think kids can kind of like start to
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break into that world?
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That's not again super adult but like still,
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you know, more natural but just to get them in the
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motion of it, I guess like to be with like mommy
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and you know, stuff like that.
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Yeah, like you can go and introduce your kids to like
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go get a gloss,
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go get a bomb,
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go get a lip product because it's so easy,
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especially when you're young.
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When you're like 1415,
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16, you can do like the mascara,
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you can do, you know the lipstick,
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like you can do like certain things,
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not like a bright red lip or anything like that,
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but you know, it's it's changed a lot since I was
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younger. We had really bad makeup back in the day
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but now there's so many good makeup out there that I
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can see why, you know,
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teenagers wanna go and,
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and, you know,
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try all these products out.
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They do better makeup than all of us and,
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you know, we wanna learn from them too and we wanna
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know what they like,
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but at the same time,
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like, you know,
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they, they are looking a lot older than they should.
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So I just feel like,
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you know, as a parent,
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like it's our responsibility to educate our kids regardless if we know
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it or not. There's youtube,
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there's tiktok now there's IG and you know,
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we have to educate our kids and we're so responsible for them
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and how they turn 18.
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OK? And then when they turn 1819 20 that's all that
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you know, I,
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I get popularity and I get like,
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you know, everything is going on tiktok and the kids are
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like screaming. Oh yeah,
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I need like this whole wild step skincare routine but they really
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don't as a parent,
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they should be like,
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no, no, no,
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it's the parents' job for sure I feel.
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And we just thank you so much for coming on Sonia
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and letting us know your perspective on this.
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We wanna ask you where can people find you on social
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media? So I'm on IG and on Tik Tok and it's
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officially Sonia Ramos. Awesome.
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Thank you so much,
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Sonia. Thank you.
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Bye bye. It's even like social media.
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I feel like just you have to keep up with how the
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other kids look. And if another parent it's like a chain
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effect. If another parent lets their kids wear make up,
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then this kid's gonna want to wear makeup to keep up with
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you. You know what I mean?
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Like I wanna do it.
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It's like, oh,
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it's like that the boomer phrase,
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right? Have you jump off a bridge and you jump off
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It's like, yeah,
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it's social media. All right guys.
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So my favorite Yankee is back in the news,
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Alex Rodriguez and he got caught up,
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man, he was getting cooked on Twitter.
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like I think Friday.
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So apparently he got really tanned on vacation and people were,
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you know, it was just trending online.
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Like what's up with a rod?
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Why does he look like that?
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You know what I did see some tweets about like was
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it a newscast or something?
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Like he was like,
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he was sitting courtside and he was sitting next to Stephen,
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a Smith and they were like this,
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this is not the A Rod.
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We remember from 2009 like what is going on?
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So a rod of course,
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had to take some shots back.
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He had to address the rumors or the speculations of,
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of his skin color.
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And he said, all right,
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everybody I know that I'm dark but I'm Dominican and we,
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and I went on vacation and I fell asleep in the sun
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and he closes off by saying Tranqui lito is Suave CTO Mi
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Gente. But you know,
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the controversies continue, man,
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like what's the controversy like,
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why do you have to add that in there?
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Like, you know,
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keep calm people? Well,
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you know, there's some,
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you know, complicated history when it comes to,
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you know, Dominicans accepting blackness.
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we share the island with Haiti.
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So some people, you know,
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just don't wanna, you know,
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accept some, embrace it,
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they don't wanna some embrace it.
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Some don't. And I don't know if you're familiar with the
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phrase, I'm not black,
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I'm Dominican. But every time that topic comes up,
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boom, you get hit usually with that tweet or that phrase
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where it just makes whoever was talking about it just question,
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you know, are you Dominican?
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Are you black? Like what,
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what side are you on?
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And a famous example of that is Sammy Sosa who critics
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accuse of lighting his face.
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I mean, no,
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I mean it's like the opposite of a rod and do not
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remember that man right there behind me.
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Like that's Sammy, that's not the Sammy.
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I grew up man and whatever it is you used to do
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when you set the home run,
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but that's not him no more.
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So it sounds like this is nothing new like it's been going
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on for a while man growing up in a Dominican household.
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I wanna say this has been a topic since I was
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a kid. And it just so happens that tomorrow February 27
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is the 180th anniversary of Dominican Independence.
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So yeah, man,
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get the Brugal Manana.
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Cebe Mangu Platanos. I need all that.
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Turn up. Que que hey,
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but thank you for the breakdown,
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man. It is amazing.
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So one thing about Dias is that they're going to take the
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Centros de Mesa. We all know that brother.
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It's me. I'm tia fuck me.
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Is that person that like whos the Centro when they get to
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the party? I'm like,
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I'm like this, I'm like es es if I'm the first
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one to get to the table,
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that's, that's my fucking centro de Mesa.
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If another Senora tries to take it,
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I'm throwing hands. I am throwing hands.
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Ile de CCO Porque.
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Mi Senora. Yeah.
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Yaso Senora and no respecting the se the elders because now I'm
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an elder. Oh,
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damn. I really feel like that about this.
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Well, actually, I mean,
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sometimes you may be able to take them,
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you know, these days most centerpieces are rented from a party
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rental business which means that if your theia are already plotting and
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it's your party, your tab is going to be more expensive
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than you thought because they're rental because they're gonna charge you.
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Like, exactly. I think I actually think my mom took
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a rental like it looks like nice.
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How could you? Yeah,
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I'm like, it looks,
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I'm like this is too nice to be given away.
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It's like heavy and shit like it's crazy.
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24 Karat gold. This is,
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I, I always ask sometimes,
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well, not always but I ask because I'm like,
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or they'll be like,
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oh give me and I'm like,
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ok, you know,
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but we got a,
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we got a pro joining us to break down this whole centro
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de Mesa universe, the etiquette,
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the pricing, the whole drama behind it.
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Javier Navarro from Js Timeless Pieces joining us Javier,
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can you hear us?
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Yeah, I can hear you.
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OK, welcome to the party.
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Thank you so much,
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Jenny is a big centro de Mesa fanatic enemy number one right
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there jokes. But yeah,
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but we wanted to obviously pick your brain and learn more about
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that whole industry and just first off,
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what kind of services does your company provide?
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Yeah, so we're very,
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very niche company in the sense that we focus on candelabras.
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So our candelabras are all crystal.
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And you know,
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people, most of the time ask for led candles in them
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and some people want real flame candles and it's really cool
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because a lot of people,
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they see them and they're like,
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I don't even have to get flowers.
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Now, I could just get the,
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you know, this is Mao de me and I'm like,
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yeah, it it works out.
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They're also just like really,
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really tall pieces and you put them in the middle of the
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table and people are just like,
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wow, you know.
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And so. Exactly.
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Exactly. I'm sure like,
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oh yeah, I got a,
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I got a couple stories about that for sure.
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00 my God. Ok.
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We wanted to ask you what happens when you receive less
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props than you rent out.
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Yeah. So the way that we handle that is I
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mean, we, we create an invoice right at the beginning
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and we always count how many things that we're dropping off to
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begin with. And so then when we get it all back
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and we count it again,
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we basically hold the person who's liable for it,
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the person who rented it,
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right? But it also depends on like so many factors,
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right? Like if it's a random little,
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you know, piece of glass like me,
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you know, I'm good.
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Like I don't, we'll be OK.
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And that's how we try to keep our customers cool,
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you know. So speaking of taking little things.
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Have you ever taken any centerpieces yourself?
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Any centros? No pressure?
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Yeah. You know what?
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So I, I'm,
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I'm very Mexican and I've been to a lot of parties in
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my lifetime in my 29 years of life.
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and I learned from some of the best,
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you know, my tia and,
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and my parents and I,
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I'm, I guess I'm trying to like go on a tangent
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So I don't tell you exactly what I took,
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but it was a lantern and I swear it was really,
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really cool. And back then it seemed like a good idea
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but I felt bad after I'm,
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like, ah, I probably should have asked first.
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But,, there's this,
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like, whole secret component to it.
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Right. Like that.
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And it's like, as soon as you get to the party
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it's like you have your eye on it already,
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or, like, my,
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my grandma would always be like,
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that was mine. Yeah.
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Yeah. So actually you had this question,
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do you wanna ask her?
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I I thought that was really like interesting.
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What would a centerpiece like this cost?
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Like if someone takes this,
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my mom took this,
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this, this is a centerpiece that my mom took that.
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I I feel like it was a rental.
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To be honest, I don't wanna cover you.
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I don't wanna cover you,
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you know, so we'll move it around.
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But what would something like this cost?
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Can we get an appraisal here?
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Yeah. You know,
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I I would probably price something like that around 40 bucks.
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Are those fake flowers?
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Yeah. Fake dude.
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This is an old ass centerpiece like it's but look,
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but look how long it lasted,
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right? And that's,
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that's the thing is like all you need is that and you're
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done, it's timeless because this was back when I was a
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little little girl. Yeah.
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Hey, but those are coming back,
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those are coming back.
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Everything comes back as trends.
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He's a pro man.
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But Javier, I mean,
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thank you so much.
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Thank you, Javier.
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We really appreciate your expertise and you just educating us on
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centerpiece etiquette because I I'm crazy when it comes to those.
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Yeah, hopefully we can be in touch because for my
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daughter about this. So apparently we have to get her baptized
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The mom's already talking about it.
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So if we need to say I know who to hit up
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Yeah. No.
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Hit me up. I got you.
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You could probably find me on Instagram.
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My my user name is Js Timeless Pieces.
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and it's basically Javier's Timeless Pieces,
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right? So yeah,
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you can give us a follow,
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you can message us there and we'll be happy to give you
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a quote. We'll be happy to work with you anywhere
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in Southern California. We'll,
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we'll be there. Beautiful.
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Thank you. We'll see you at a party,
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the center. Thank you so much.
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What do you got?
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Sister, dude? It's heavy,
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right? Yeah, this is,
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this is heavy duty shit right here.
20:40
That was, that was a rental.
20:41
Martha has no chill.
20:49
Jenny. You speak Spanish,
20:50
right? Yeah. Do you feel like it just kind of
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hits different food? It hits different like saying something in Spanish
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is so different than saying something in English.
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It's like ma yeah,
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big time. More of everything.
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There's just more feeling,
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you know. What about your mom?
21:04
Like she speaks both the Oh yeah,
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she does. I,
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I me la but when it's in Spanish,
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like she's a whole another person,
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like, like, it's crazy,
21:14
like, oh dude,
21:15
it's so, it's funny that you say that she's a whole
21:17
different person. There was a study conducted by Florida Atlantic
21:21
University that basically said that Latina moms kind of present themselves
21:25
with the different cultures depending on what language they speak.
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So if they speak Spanish,
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it's gonna be more look at,
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hi man. So like,
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you know, the she comes off called Mas,
21:37
you know, the way that you said,
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whereas if they speak in English,
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it's kind of more just like low key like,
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oh, you know,
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like it's how they present themselves to.
21:44
Exactly. Exactly. I,
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I feel that 100%.
21:48
So, yeah, it just hits different and there's actually science
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that kind of backs this up,
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which is the craziest thing joining us to talk about.
21:57
This is Erica Hoff phd and psychology professor,
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they're at Florida Atlantic University,
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the same university that conducted the study.
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So welcome, Professor Hoff,
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welcome, welcome. You.
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happy to be here.
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Thank you for joining.
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So, is this,
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is this a bad thing?
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Like, does this impact Children negatively or in any way if
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you know their mom is constantly switching from not just one language
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but like one personality to another?
22:23
Well, switching from one personality to another is,
22:27
is a bit strong a as a description.
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but what what I found is they do switch from one
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cultural practice to another cultural practice.
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A particular cultural practice that I looked at is how mothers engage
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their Children in conversation.
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So European American middle class mothers do lots of asking the
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Children questions and encouraging the Children to express themselves.
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Middle class European American mothers tend to teach,
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treat their Children as equals in conversation.
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That's not a Latin American practice in Latin America.
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Children are not equal to adults and this manifests itself
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in conversation with the adults,
23:23
doing more of the talking and the Children doing more of the
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listening. So I don't know if you would call that a
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personality difference. But people who are bilingual and certainly immigrants who
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are bilingual by virtue of the experience of living in two different
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countries are also bicultural and they do things in different ways depending
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upon which culture is sort of activated or primed in their heads
23:51
This is one example of that.
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And, and so it also serves as evidence that this happens
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that that bilingual bicultural people really do have different ways of being
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and it doesn't have to be language.
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There are other studies that find other things sort of trigger this
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shift, but language clearly does trigger this shift.
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So you act more Latino when you're speaking Spanish and more American
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when you're speaking English.
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So does this mean that anyone learning another language is also adopting
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the culture if you learn another language in such a way that
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you also learn another culture.
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And so that means a little bit more than just,
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you know, memorizing verb conjugations.
24:37
But if you really start to know another cultural and participate
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in other cultural practices,
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you have a broader repertoire of behaviors for sure.
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And presumably you have a better understanding of the range of human
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behaviors. So relatable,
24:57
I'm not a mom,
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but I am an immigrant and this is so fascinating to me
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because like,
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I, I resonate with it so much.
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So, thank you so much for conducting the study.
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Like, and then this whole process I've learned so much and
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I hope our audience does too.
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Where can people find you?
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Oh well, I'm here in Florida at Florida,
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Atlantic University and they can email me.
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Perfect. Sounds good once again,
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professor. Thank you so so much for joining us.
25:28
My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
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Bye bye, dude.
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That is so interesting.
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Yes, dude. Super,
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super interesting. But also explains why,
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you know, I know people try to teach their kids Spanish
25:41
before they enter school,
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like just Spanish. And then that way when they enter school
25:46
they're all they're taught is English,
25:48
you know, so it's like that way it sticks on and
25:51
yeah, but you have to make sure that like,
25:53
I, I don't know,
25:54
you have to like also teach them the cultural practices,
25:57
right? Like the professor said,
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it's more than just the language.
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It's like the actual culture that makes a difference.
26:07
So J Lo is back in the news and her new
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film and album just dropped and they were a flop.
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Her new album. This is me now only sold 8000 units
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its first week and she had to self fund.
26:22
But the budget of $20 million of her new movie.
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This is me now after funding fell through,
26:31
brother. What do you think of that trailer?
26:33
The trailer was a little cringey.
26:36
It just seemed like her love story but like with like
26:39
a Mad Max like action packed thriller element to it.
26:43
I love J Lo.
26:44
I love J Lo but the trailer did come off as a
26:48
perfume commercial. I mean to me,
26:51
I'm like, well,
26:51
I started perfume like,
26:53
like your like, I don't know it was that that's the
26:57
vibe I got, I love J Lo but that's the vibe
26:59
I got. But yeah,
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so I agree, I see that but to help us understand
27:05
what's going on. We have Professor Jillian Hernandez,
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author of Aesthetics of Excess,
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the art and politics of Black and Latina embodiment.
27:16
So Jillian welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for coming on.
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What do you think about her recent performance with the album?
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And people claiming that she kind of again is a,
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has been quote unquote.
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Yeah, I mean I think J Lo will always be a
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cultural force at this point.
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She's very well established in the cultural landscape.
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But I do think there are ways in which she hasn't really
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responded to a lot of the evolution that's taken place in Latinx
27:52
popular culture over the last few years.
27:55
She's just not capturing our imaginations in the same way that other
28:01
figures are doing. There's a way where in Puerto Rican culture
28:04
like we're really talking particularly right now about,
28:09
you know, figures like bad bunny or,
28:12
you know, maybe there's ways to incorporate more Pero into her
28:15
music. Like that's something that people are really into.
28:17
So I think our imaginations are being captured by the Tosha out
28:22
there. And I think that although I think clearly for her
28:28
there's a lot of personal investment and reflection and it's amazing
28:32
that she has the resources to do it on her own.
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I think that's really great,
28:38
but I just don't think those are the topics that audiences are
28:43
interested in right now.
28:44
Where do you see her evolution?
28:46
Because I know like with Shakira,
28:48
it's like, you know,
28:49
she reinvented herself in her music,
28:53
you know, after what happened with Pique.
28:55
So what do you think is J Lo,
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where is her evolution going?
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I would be interested in her,
29:02
like really claiming the ways that,
29:05
like she took up this very urban Latina identity and brought it
29:12
to the mainstream. And I do think that that's something that
29:15
would be really interesting.
29:16
But I feel like right now she's been so incorporated into like
29:22
larger fashion culture and like very mainstream culture that that's not happening
29:27
as much anymore. Like I do think the Super Bowl from
29:29
a few years ago was an interesting moment of like her and
29:33
Shakira and bad bunny and,
29:35
and you know, the way that they were subtly referencing
29:38
the Trump administration's separation of families and detention of Children.
29:43
So I think more of that would be something that I think
29:47
would be welcome with someone with her platform.
29:50
Do you feel like this movie is like,
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you know, one of her most important pieces of work or
29:54
is it like a midlife crisis like what's going on?
29:56
Because, I mean,
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I don't know, it's like all day.
30:00
I mean, just the comments again,
30:02
I'm just like, I don't know,
30:03
ok, people just seem to,
30:05
again, they don't let her catch a break.
30:07
Yeah, I mean,
30:08
I do think it's like very personal and I almost think that
30:11
perhaps it should be treated almost like an art piece or something
30:16
But I think part of it is her personal affairs
30:19
have been like so public,
30:21
you know, her marriages,
30:22
her various marriages, her various famous boyfriends like P Diddy.
30:26
And I think you know,
30:28
it's hard for us to relate to like,
30:30
what does that do to your sense of self?
30:32
And then if you add on the layer of being,
30:35
you know, a Latina from a working class background and everything
30:40
like that. I think we haven't really seen something like this
30:43
before. I'm really eager to see it and just sort of
30:47
come up with more theories around what might be happening,
30:51
but I think it's something deeply personal so it might be a
30:54
midlife crisis moment, but good for her that she's able to
30:58
be like, you know what,
30:59
I'll just pay for this myself.
31:02
Thank you so much Jillian.
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We really appreciate you coming on.
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Is there anything you want to plug in?
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Like your social handles where people can find you?
31:10
Yes, absolutely. You can find me on Instagram at Paste
31:16
Lito Cookie and I have a youtube channel.
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I'm developing a youtube podcast featuring Femmes of color called Fem studies
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So if you Google me,
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that should come up for you as well.
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Yay. Awesome. Thank you so much.
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We appreciate you being on the show.
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We'll see you soon.
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Bye bye. Yeah.
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She always be J from the block in my book.
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I'm Jennifer the block too.
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Oh, there you go.
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And I'm Alejandro. Thank you guys so much for joining us
31:48
today at Lincoln Bio.
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We'll see you soon.
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Bye.