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welcome to Lincoln Bio.
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I'm Jenny Alejandro and we've got a packed show for you guys
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it is stacked. We're talking make up thieves.
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A deadly protest and bilingual personalities as well as kids are taking
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over. Sephora. Interesting.
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We also have mob uniforms striking out.
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We have breaking news.
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Apparently. A rod is Dominican and J Lo hits a new
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globe. Well, we have Latino,
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what happened in DC the other day?
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No, I actually haven't,
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brother. What happened?
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Crazy stuff going on.
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So 26 year old Aaron Bushnell,
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a US Air Force active duty member set himself on fire
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in front of the Israeli embassy in Washington DC.
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He, he was quoted as saying he would no longer be
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complicit in the genocide going on.
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Bush now was protesting the war between Israel and Palestine as
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you know where Israel has killed nearly 30,000 Palestinians.
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And while standing in front of the Israeli Embassy,
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he poured gassing on himself,
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you know, caught himself on fire,
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yelled free Palestine. And meanwhile,
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a cop was just standing looking at him pointing a gun at
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him. Wow. And did he pass away?
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Yeah. Unfortunately he was rushed to the hospital but he didn't
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make it. Oh my gosh.
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Michelle Mack of Bonsell was the ringleader of an organized national crime
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ring that stole nearly $8 million worth of makeup and other goods
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She would then sell the products on her Amazon storefront.
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Damn. Damn. So that's where all the,
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the, the, I see all the Ulta is being robbed
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and everything. So that's what,
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that's crazy. Mack is accused of paying as many as 12
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women for the travel expenses including providing a list of retail
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stores for them to hit.
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Apparently she hit stores in 21 different counties across California.
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They were busy. This sounds like a Netflix series waiting to
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happen, brother. I mean,
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I wanna know like how did this come to be?
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You know, because I keep seeing the videos of like Ulta
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and Sephora being like kind of like the like broken into or
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just people just grab and go and you know,
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get away. And so do you mean to tell me there
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was a lady behind all of the like a lot of these
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not all of them but a lot of these maybe like
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damn, allegedly, I don't know but who do you think
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should play this crime boss Karen?
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Let us know in the comments,
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let us know in the comments.
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Don't you just love baseball sister?
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if my daughter's uniform.
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I'm ready to hit some diggers.
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It's a little uncomfortable here.
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makes a little see through to me.
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Well, I think that's the style for this.
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I wasn't even trying to look but it was just there.
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spring training just kicked off and they're being very,
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transparent about what the,
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the season holds for us as you can see here
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the new Unis are looking good like the Giants
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I can see now why they call them the giant sister
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That's all I'm gonna say.
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I got a ground rule.
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Double shout out to my baseball.
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You're out of here getting worse.
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the Dodger Dog literally on the field.
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That was not that bad.
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But can we go back to the other one?
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He looks like he's doing that on purpose.
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Maybe his girls in the stands.
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Well, they do say they do say that baseball players got
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nice rectums, like rectums got nice booties got nice butts.
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We'll leave it at that.
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they're leaving nothing to the imagination as you can tell Ruben.
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Yeah. Anyways, so Nike actually designed them but get it
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But, but they're manufactured by fanatics.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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and it looks like under armor had something to say
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We got you covered literally.
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there's nothing revealing about that,
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keeping it, you know,
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family friendly for when you're there on the field.
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That's no fun. I'm just kidding.
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It's gonna be an interesting season to say the least.
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so, what are Sephora kids like in,
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in the, do you know what they are?
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Brother kids And Sephora that like Sephora kind of?
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Well, look in the past year,
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a growing number of Children and young teens dubbed Sephora kids have
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shown a heightened fascination with beauty and skin care,
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I would think because of social media,
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right? These kids are into makeup,
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skin care routines often showcased by older influencers and role models.
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You know it because I mean,
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it's like a more like our millennials are the ones,
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you know, the influencers that are kind of just being displayed
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on tiktok and all this and they're watching and they wanna get
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involved. I don't know.
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But this trend raises concerns about its impact on Children,
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including questions about self image,
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beauty standards and the influence of social media on their development.
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So people think that these kids are too young for make up
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Like when did you get your first like big girl makeup
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that's when my parents were like,
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OK, Y Puedes PTE mascara,
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you know, little things.
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Their big thing was the mascara,
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the mascara. I think everyone kind of started with the eyeliner
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mascara. When did you start?
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I never, I just put on moisturizer now.
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today's generation is different,
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Again, what's the right way and the wrong way you're gonna
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have to know you're having a daughter or you're having a baby
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what age would you allow her to wear?
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Make up at least 13.
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But again, we'll see when I get there.
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Well, brother joining us today is Sonia Ramos mom and makeup
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influencer to share her perspective.
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Sonia, welcome. Thank you so much.
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So, I'm not sure if you heard our story with,
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was it Sephora kids?
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What do you think about this whole thing?
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You know, I think it's awesome that kids want to have
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a skin care. But I think,
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you know, when they go to Sephora,
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And so this isn't a plague,
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you know, a playroom where they can just mess a whole
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bunch of products up because,
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you know, when I went to Sephora,
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I seen the whole mess,
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you know, during some of the displays and I was just
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like, is this real like,
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So it was just a mess.
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I just think like there's no wrongdoing when it comes to like
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young women or even boys wanting to do skin care.
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they just need to be respectful when it,
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when they go to Sephora and actually,
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samples are samples but they're not like a little playground where,
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you know, they're trying to build a skincare smoothie like you
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Well, how young is too young?
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What, what do you think,
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like for, for kids wanting to explore with makeup and skin
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with my kids when they were teenagers,
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I would, they would just have a basic cleanser.
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they would have an acne treatment and a moisturizer and sunscreen.
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It was very, very simple.
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If I have a skincare routine,
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I'm not going to go and tell my 19 year old son
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oh, you should do a retinol routine because he doesn't
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need it. They have very young bouncy hydrated skin.
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I wish I had their skin.
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You know, I'm 46 years old.
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And so you, you start seeing,
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you know, as you age,
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you know, different things and different needs that your skin needs
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But like they do not need any of that.
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They just really just need to focus on moisturizer and protecting their
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skin with sun honestly.
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And can these kids mess up their skin by using these kind
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of products? Like the retinol that's very active,
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like vitamin C? They don't need nothing to brighten.
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They don't need nothing too plump,
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they don't need hydrating under eye.
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I just feel like the parent is responsible for this.
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They are kind of like they should read the ingredients on it
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and say, you know what?
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This is too much of an active like,
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do you need an exfoliant?
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Do you need Hyaluronic acid?
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Your skin is very youthful,
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very plump and you know,
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those products are meant for people that don't have that anymore.
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And I know you mentioned like the sunscreen is obviously something that
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you recommend to everybody.
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But is there any specific makeup,
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like items that I think kids can kind of like start to
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break into that world?
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That's not again super adult but like still,
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you know, more natural but just to get them in the
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motion of it, I guess like to be with like mommy
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and you know, stuff like that.
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Yeah, like you can go and introduce your kids to like
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go get a lip product because it's so easy,
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especially when you're young.
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When you're like 1415,
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16, you can do like the mascara,
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you can do, you know the lipstick,
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like you can do like certain things,
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not like a bright red lip or anything like that,
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but you know, it's it's changed a lot since I was
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younger. We had really bad makeup back in the day
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but now there's so many good makeup out there that I
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can see why, you know,
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teenagers wanna go and,
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try all these products out.
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They do better makeup than all of us and,
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you know, we wanna learn from them too and we wanna
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know what they like,
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but at the same time,
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they, they are looking a lot older than they should.
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So I just feel like,
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you know, as a parent,
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like it's our responsibility to educate our kids regardless if we know
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it or not. There's youtube,
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there's tiktok now there's IG and you know,
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we have to educate our kids and we're so responsible for them
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and how they turn 18.
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OK? And then when they turn 1819 20 that's all that
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I get popularity and I get like,
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you know, everything is going on tiktok and the kids are
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like screaming. Oh yeah,
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I need like this whole wild step skincare routine but they really
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they should be like,
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it's the parents' job for sure I feel.
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And we just thank you so much for coming on Sonia
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and letting us know your perspective on this.
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We wanna ask you where can people find you on social
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media? So I'm on IG and on Tik Tok and it's
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officially Sonia Ramos. Awesome.
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Bye bye. It's even like social media.
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I feel like just you have to keep up with how the
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other kids look. And if another parent it's like a chain
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effect. If another parent lets their kids wear make up,
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then this kid's gonna want to wear makeup to keep up with
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you. You know what I mean?
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it's like that the boomer phrase,
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right? Have you jump off a bridge and you jump off
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it's social media. All right guys.
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So my favorite Yankee is back in the news,
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Alex Rodriguez and he got caught up,
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man, he was getting cooked on Twitter.
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like I think Friday.
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So apparently he got really tanned on vacation and people were,
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you know, it was just trending online.
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Like what's up with a rod?
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Why does he look like that?
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You know what I did see some tweets about like was
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it a newscast or something?
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he was sitting courtside and he was sitting next to Stephen,
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a Smith and they were like this,
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this is not the A Rod.
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We remember from 2009 like what is going on?
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had to take some shots back.
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He had to address the rumors or the speculations of,
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And he said, all right,
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everybody I know that I'm dark but I'm Dominican and we,
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and I went on vacation and I fell asleep in the sun
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and he closes off by saying Tranqui lito is Suave CTO Mi
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Gente. But you know,
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the controversies continue, man,
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like what's the controversy like,
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why do you have to add that in there?
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keep calm people? Well,
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you know, there's some,
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you know, complicated history when it comes to,
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you know, Dominicans accepting blackness.
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we share the island with Haiti.
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So some people, you know,
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just don't wanna, you know,
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accept some, embrace it,
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they don't wanna some embrace it.
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Some don't. And I don't know if you're familiar with the
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phrase, I'm not black,
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I'm Dominican. But every time that topic comes up,
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boom, you get hit usually with that tweet or that phrase
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where it just makes whoever was talking about it just question,
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you know, are you Dominican?
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Are you black? Like what,
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what side are you on?
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And a famous example of that is Sammy Sosa who critics
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accuse of lighting his face.
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I mean it's like the opposite of a rod and do not
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remember that man right there behind me.
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Like that's Sammy, that's not the Sammy.
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I grew up man and whatever it is you used to do
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when you set the home run,
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but that's not him no more.
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So it sounds like this is nothing new like it's been going
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on for a while man growing up in a Dominican household.
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I wanna say this has been a topic since I was
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a kid. And it just so happens that tomorrow February 27
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is the 180th anniversary of Dominican Independence.
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get the Brugal Manana.
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Cebe Mangu Platanos. I need all that.
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Turn up. Que que hey,
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but thank you for the breakdown,
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So one thing about Dias is that they're going to take the
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Centros de Mesa. We all know that brother.
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It's me. I'm tia fuck me.
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Is that person that like whos the Centro when they get to
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the party? I'm like,
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I'm like this, I'm like es es if I'm the first
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one to get to the table,
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that's, that's my fucking centro de Mesa.
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If another Senora tries to take it,
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I'm throwing hands. I am throwing hands.
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Yaso Senora and no respecting the se the elders because now I'm
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damn. I really feel like that about this.
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Well, actually, I mean,
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sometimes you may be able to take them,
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you know, these days most centerpieces are rented from a party
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rental business which means that if your theia are already plotting and
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it's your party, your tab is going to be more expensive
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than you thought because they're rental because they're gonna charge you.
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Like, exactly. I think I actually think my mom took
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a rental like it looks like nice.
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How could you? Yeah,
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I'm like this is too nice to be given away.
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It's like heavy and shit like it's crazy.
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24 Karat gold. This is,
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I, I always ask sometimes,
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well, not always but I ask because I'm like,
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oh give me and I'm like,
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we got a pro joining us to break down this whole centro
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de Mesa universe, the etiquette,
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the pricing, the whole drama behind it.
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Javier Navarro from Js Timeless Pieces joining us Javier,
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Yeah, I can hear you.
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OK, welcome to the party.
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Jenny is a big centro de Mesa fanatic enemy number one right
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there jokes. But yeah,
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but we wanted to obviously pick your brain and learn more about
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that whole industry and just first off,
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what kind of services does your company provide?
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Yeah, so we're very,
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very niche company in the sense that we focus on candelabras.
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So our candelabras are all crystal.
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people, most of the time ask for led candles in them
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and some people want real flame candles and it's really cool
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because a lot of people,
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they see them and they're like,
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I don't even have to get flowers.
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Now, I could just get the,
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you know, this is Mao de me and I'm like,
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yeah, it it works out.
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They're also just like really,
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really tall pieces and you put them in the middle of the
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table and people are just like,
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Exactly. I'm sure like,
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I got a couple stories about that for sure.
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We wanted to ask you what happens when you receive less
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props than you rent out.
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Yeah. So the way that we handle that is I
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mean, we, we create an invoice right at the beginning
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and we always count how many things that we're dropping off to
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begin with. And so then when we get it all back
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and we count it again,
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we basically hold the person who's liable for it,
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the person who rented it,
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right? But it also depends on like so many factors,
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right? Like if it's a random little,
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you know, piece of glass like me,
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Like I don't, we'll be OK.
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And that's how we try to keep our customers cool,
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you know. So speaking of taking little things.
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Have you ever taken any centerpieces yourself?
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Any centros? No pressure?
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Yeah. You know what?
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I'm very Mexican and I've been to a lot of parties in
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my lifetime in my 29 years of life.
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and I learned from some of the best,
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you know, my tia and,
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and my parents and I,
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I'm, I guess I'm trying to like go on a tangent
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So I don't tell you exactly what I took,
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but it was a lantern and I swear it was really,
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really cool. And back then it seemed like a good idea
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but I felt bad after I'm,
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like, ah, I probably should have asked first.
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like, whole secret component to it.
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And it's like, as soon as you get to the party
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it's like you have your eye on it already,
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my grandma would always be like,
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that was mine. Yeah.
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Yeah. So actually you had this question,
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do you wanna ask her?
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I I thought that was really like interesting.
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What would a centerpiece like this cost?
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Like if someone takes this,
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this, this is a centerpiece that my mom took that.
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I I feel like it was a rental.
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To be honest, I don't wanna cover you.
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I don't wanna cover you,
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you know, so we'll move it around.
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But what would something like this cost?
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Can we get an appraisal here?
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I I would probably price something like that around 40 bucks.
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Are those fake flowers?
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This is an old ass centerpiece like it's but look,
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but look how long it lasted,
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that's the thing is like all you need is that and you're
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done, it's timeless because this was back when I was a
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little little girl. Yeah.
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Hey, but those are coming back,
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those are coming back.
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Everything comes back as trends.
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We really appreciate your expertise and you just educating us on
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centerpiece etiquette because I I'm crazy when it comes to those.
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Yeah, hopefully we can be in touch because for my
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daughter about this. So apparently we have to get her baptized
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The mom's already talking about it.
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So if we need to say I know who to hit up
20:06
Hit me up. I got you.
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You could probably find me on Instagram.
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My my user name is Js Timeless Pieces.
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and it's basically Javier's Timeless Pieces,
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you can give us a follow,
20:18
you can message us there and we'll be happy to give you
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a quote. We'll be happy to work with you anywhere
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in Southern California. We'll,
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we'll be there. Beautiful.
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Thank you. We'll see you at a party,
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the center. Thank you so much.
20:35
Sister, dude? It's heavy,
20:37
right? Yeah, this is,
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this is heavy duty shit right here.
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That was, that was a rental.
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Martha has no chill.
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Jenny. You speak Spanish,
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right? Yeah. Do you feel like it just kind of
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hits different food? It hits different like saying something in Spanish
20:56
is so different than saying something in English.
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big time. More of everything.
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There's just more feeling,
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you know. What about your mom?
21:04
Like she speaks both the Oh yeah,
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I me la but when it's in Spanish,
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like she's a whole another person,
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like, like, it's crazy,
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it's so, it's funny that you say that she's a whole
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different person. There was a study conducted by Florida Atlantic
21:21
University that basically said that Latina moms kind of present themselves
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with the different cultures depending on what language they speak.
21:28
So if they speak Spanish,
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it's gonna be more look at,
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you know, the she comes off called Mas,
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you know, the way that you said,
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whereas if they speak in English,
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it's kind of more just like low key like,
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like it's how they present themselves to.
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Exactly. Exactly. I,
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So, yeah, it just hits different and there's actually science
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that kind of backs this up,
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which is the craziest thing joining us to talk about.
21:57
This is Erica Hoff phd and psychology professor,
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they're at Florida Atlantic University,
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the same university that conducted the study.
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So welcome, Professor Hoff,
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welcome, welcome. You.
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Thank you for joining.
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is this a bad thing?
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Like, does this impact Children negatively or in any way if
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you know their mom is constantly switching from not just one language
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but like one personality to another?
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Well, switching from one personality to another is,
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is a bit strong a as a description.
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but what what I found is they do switch from one
22:35
cultural practice to another cultural practice.
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A particular cultural practice that I looked at is how mothers engage
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their Children in conversation.
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So European American middle class mothers do lots of asking the
22:56
Children questions and encouraging the Children to express themselves.
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Middle class European American mothers tend to teach,
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treat their Children as equals in conversation.
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That's not a Latin American practice in Latin America.
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Children are not equal to adults and this manifests itself
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in conversation with the adults,
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doing more of the talking and the Children doing more of the
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listening. So I don't know if you would call that a
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personality difference. But people who are bilingual and certainly immigrants who
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are bilingual by virtue of the experience of living in two different
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countries are also bicultural and they do things in different ways depending
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upon which culture is sort of activated or primed in their heads
23:51
This is one example of that.
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And, and so it also serves as evidence that this happens
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that that bilingual bicultural people really do have different ways of being
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and it doesn't have to be language.
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There are other studies that find other things sort of trigger this
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shift, but language clearly does trigger this shift.
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So you act more Latino when you're speaking Spanish and more American
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when you're speaking English.
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So does this mean that anyone learning another language is also adopting
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the culture if you learn another language in such a way that
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you also learn another culture.
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And so that means a little bit more than just,
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you know, memorizing verb conjugations.
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But if you really start to know another cultural and participate
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in other cultural practices,
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you have a broader repertoire of behaviors for sure.
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And presumably you have a better understanding of the range of human
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behaviors. So relatable,
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but I am an immigrant and this is so fascinating to me
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I, I resonate with it so much.
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So, thank you so much for conducting the study.
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Like, and then this whole process I've learned so much and
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I hope our audience does too.
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Where can people find you?
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Oh well, I'm here in Florida at Florida,
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Atlantic University and they can email me.
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Perfect. Sounds good once again,
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professor. Thank you so so much for joining us.
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My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
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That is so interesting.
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super interesting. But also explains why,
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you know, I know people try to teach their kids Spanish
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before they enter school,
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like just Spanish. And then that way when they enter school
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they're all they're taught is English,
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you know, so it's like that way it sticks on and
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yeah, but you have to make sure that like,
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you have to like also teach them the cultural practices,
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right? Like the professor said,
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it's more than just the language.
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It's like the actual culture that makes a difference.
26:07
So J Lo is back in the news and her new
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film and album just dropped and they were a flop.
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Her new album. This is me now only sold 8000 units
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its first week and she had to self fund.
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But the budget of $20 million of her new movie.
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This is me now after funding fell through,
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brother. What do you think of that trailer?
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The trailer was a little cringey.
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It just seemed like her love story but like with like
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a Mad Max like action packed thriller element to it.
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I love J Lo but the trailer did come off as a
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perfume commercial. I mean to me,
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I started perfume like,
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like your like, I don't know it was that that's the
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vibe I got, I love J Lo but that's the vibe
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so I agree, I see that but to help us understand
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what's going on. We have Professor Jillian Hernandez,
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author of Aesthetics of Excess,
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the art and politics of Black and Latina embodiment.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for coming on.
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What do you think about her recent performance with the album?
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And people claiming that she kind of again is a,
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has been quote unquote.
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Yeah, I mean I think J Lo will always be a
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cultural force at this point.
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She's very well established in the cultural landscape.
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But I do think there are ways in which she hasn't really
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responded to a lot of the evolution that's taken place in Latinx
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popular culture over the last few years.
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She's just not capturing our imaginations in the same way that other
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figures are doing. There's a way where in Puerto Rican culture
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like we're really talking particularly right now about,
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you know, figures like bad bunny or,
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you know, maybe there's ways to incorporate more Pero into her
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music. Like that's something that people are really into.
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So I think our imaginations are being captured by the Tosha out
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there. And I think that although I think clearly for her
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there's a lot of personal investment and reflection and it's amazing
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that she has the resources to do it on her own.
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I think that's really great,
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but I just don't think those are the topics that audiences are
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interested in right now.
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Where do you see her evolution?
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Because I know like with Shakira,
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it's like, you know,
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she reinvented herself in her music,
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you know, after what happened with Pique.
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So what do you think is J Lo,
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where is her evolution going?
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I would be interested in her,
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like really claiming the ways that,
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like she took up this very urban Latina identity and brought it
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to the mainstream. And I do think that that's something that
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would be really interesting.
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But I feel like right now she's been so incorporated into like
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larger fashion culture and like very mainstream culture that that's not happening
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as much anymore. Like I do think the Super Bowl from
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a few years ago was an interesting moment of like her and
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Shakira and bad bunny and,
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and you know, the way that they were subtly referencing
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the Trump administration's separation of families and detention of Children.
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So I think more of that would be something that I think
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would be welcome with someone with her platform.
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Do you feel like this movie is like,
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you know, one of her most important pieces of work or
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is it like a midlife crisis like what's going on?
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I don't know, it's like all day.
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I mean, just the comments again,
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I'm just like, I don't know,
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ok, people just seem to,
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again, they don't let her catch a break.
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I do think it's like very personal and I almost think that
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perhaps it should be treated almost like an art piece or something
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But I think part of it is her personal affairs
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have been like so public,
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you know, her marriages,
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her various marriages, her various famous boyfriends like P Diddy.
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And I think you know,
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it's hard for us to relate to like,
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what does that do to your sense of self?
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And then if you add on the layer of being,
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you know, a Latina from a working class background and everything
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like that. I think we haven't really seen something like this
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before. I'm really eager to see it and just sort of
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come up with more theories around what might be happening,
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but I think it's something deeply personal so it might be a
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midlife crisis moment, but good for her that she's able to
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be like, you know what,
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I'll just pay for this myself.
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Thank you so much Jillian.
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We really appreciate you coming on.
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Is there anything you want to plug in?
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Like your social handles where people can find you?
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Yes, absolutely. You can find me on Instagram at Paste
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Lito Cookie and I have a youtube channel.
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I'm developing a youtube podcast featuring Femmes of color called Fem studies
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So if you Google me,
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that should come up for you as well.
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Yay. Awesome. Thank you so much.
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We appreciate you being on the show.
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She always be J from the block in my book.
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I'm Jennifer the block too.
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And I'm Alejandro. Thank you guys so much for joining us
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today at Lincoln Bio.
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