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Sister be real with me.
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Are you sick of Taylor Swift?
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I mean, I'm not sick of her.
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I mean, I feel like she's just been like,
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very popular. I hear her everywhere but I'm not sick of
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her. It's interesting because Taylor Swift has a new album out
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right? The Tortured Poets Department,
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right? And it's breaking sales records and on paper,
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it's doing good, but people aren't necessarily big fans of it
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Wait. But what if it's doing good?
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But then people aren't big fans of,
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I mean, the fandom is crazy and you ask them and
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it's apparently getting different reviews.
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So apparently their recent album scored as low as J Lo's album
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all these conflicting the numbers and Taylor Swift,
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but we're gonna bring The Swifty back on to join us and
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break this all down for us,
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Camila. Can you please break down what's happening in the Taylor
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welcome. How are you?
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I am doing great as a Swift.
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It has been going pretty good over here now.
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Oh, interesting. Ok.
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Because we were talking about the album and we've heard different opinions
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right? Some people say it's a dud but is this
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like a, just a haters gonna hate no matter what she
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does or is this album not like her best work?
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Ok. I think that's a really interesting question because like,
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a lot of artists have a lot of fans and then the
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people outside of those fan bases typically don't like that music.
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That's why they're not fans of that artist,
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but you don't hear it because no one really cares.
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Like, if you think of like Billie Eilish,
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if you don't like Billie Eilish music,
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you're just kind of like,
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OK, and that's really it,
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you move on. So I love the album.
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I think the people that it was intended for really like it
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I think it is a great album but I don't think
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it's for everyone and I think that's OK.
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I don't think everyone needs to love it,
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but I don't know why everyone is being so mean to those
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that do, which I've definitely noticed.
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So, yeah, I don't know.
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It's why and why do you feel the need to kind of
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make people that do enjoy something feel bad?
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It's just kind of strange to me that's social media,
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dude for you. It's like,
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dude just keeps growing like it just keeps growing.
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You don't like, it just keeps growing.
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So like, it's kinda reminds me like a bad bunny situation
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kind of in the last couple of albums.
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It was like, it's more like reggaeton now,
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he's getting into like his,
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you know, softball era and then he's getting back to like
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the trap music. Like,
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so with Taylor Swift,
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you mentioned that this album is made for specific people.
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It's just a lot because it's like,
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yes it is, you should be able to go to any
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album and yeah, you can appreciate it.
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That's great. It is great music.
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It has a great message,
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but it's this album more than most is like diary entry level
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of like this is what has been happening in the past three
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years. And so it references a lot of older songs and
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it references a lot of her life in the last six years
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really and ties back to all these things that you wouldn't necessarily
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know about if you weren't in that fan base or like it
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is so deep, it goes like 10 years deep into this
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lure of all these relationships and all this stuff.
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And if you don't know that you're not going to get as
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much from it, which is totally fine,
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it just isn't intended.
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Like it was written from her perspective as a person who knows
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all of that. It's kind of like a lower based album
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in a way people are talking about some of the lyrics being
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like dense. That's what people are saying.
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Is this thoughtful artist or like,
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is this thoughtful artistic expression or is she being like pretentious?
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That's what some people are saying.
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Ok. I, I think it's really thoughtful.
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It is really funny because the whole point is called to tortured
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obviously I'm a swifty.
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So if you disagree that's great,
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you know, have fun with that.
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But,, I like it and also as a writer
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I think it's amazing because it's more literary.
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I mean, she has a doctorate now for her writing.
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So I think it makes sense.
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But she also has really silly songs,
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the songs she wrote about Travis are very,
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not lyrically deep, but they're really cute and really fun.
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So I think it just depends.
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But again, that might not be for you.
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You might not, you might like more of like a poppy
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boppy moment and that's totally great.
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It's just not the vibe of this general album is more,
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definitely more lyrically intense.
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It's a little silly goose sometimes.
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And so it sounds like people might just be hating because they
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have that fomo honestly because it's such a deep connection to like
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the early stuff that like,
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you don't know. I'm,
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I'm sorry. So people are probably like,
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maybe jealous that they're like,
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I'm not in that Swifty club but I don't want to anyways
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But like the album is mid,
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you don't know what we're talking about.
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So, but then I would also question like Taylor Swift is
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never gonna see you be,
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see you kind of being mean.
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what are you getting out of kind of being like,
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oh, this music is trash and saying it to someone who
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specifically loves that music that inherently outside of Taylor Swift is just
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a mean thing to do if you really love bad bunny and
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someone walked up to you and was like,
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he's garbage. It's just not a nice way to meet someone
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So I would just say maybe put some more thought into
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how you interact with people because it's,
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it's a little sad sometimes.
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Yeah. But what's something about this album that people aren't talking
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about? OK. So this isn't something necessarily that a lot
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of people aren't talking about.
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But I have seen a lot of people be like,
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this is your lyrical genius.
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And then they'll take a song from like there's a song
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called So High School written about Travis that is very adorable and
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very sweet. And they'll take a lyric from that and kind
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this is a really childish lyric,
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which is the point because it's supposed to be about.
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It feels like a love when you're in high school.
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So that's what it's written about.
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But a lot of people don't dig deeper.
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There's a song called Peter on the album that is absolutely beautiful
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It's written from Wendy's perspective and the Peter Pan narrative and
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it's essentially a poem it's absolutely gorgeous.
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Just about Wendy getting older and Peter Pan never really coming
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back to be with her.
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And it's really heartbreaking and I think if you're kind of
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one of those people that's like,
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lyrically, this is garbage,
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I would definitely recommend listening to that song,
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I don't think it's getting enough love and I think it's a
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really, really great song.
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So maybe like on the way home,
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I'll put that one on it.
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Are you OK? I'm always down for a good cry.
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Thank you so much Camila.
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We really appreciate you being on the show and,
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and giving us more insight about Taylor Swift and,
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Where can people find you,
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Camila? You can find me all over.
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I'm on Instagram at camila.underscore.de Jesus or I'm also a magazine
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editor for Latinas magazine.org.
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We're a great nonprofit.
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Thank you so much Camila.
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You take care and have a good one.
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