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AI Farmworkers?

May 6, 2024
San Jose activist Flor Martinez Zaragoza on robots taking over farmwork, whether or not that’s a good thing, and the technology’s effects on all Americans.
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Farm owners across the U.S. are adopting artificial intelligence, sometimes using robots to perform farmwork. Nearly nine out of ten growers are now using AI, citing labor shortages and shrinking farm profits caused by inflation,...
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Today we have Flor Martinez Zaragoza from Celebration Nation A K A
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flower in Spanish. Hi,
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Floren. Love your Instagram and everything that you do and stand
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for. Now, I know everyone is talking about robots taking
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our jobs. Is it true that A I and robots
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will affect our farm workers?
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As we see A I coming in,
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it's already here. There's already machines out in the field,
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little by little, they're bringing them out and we start seeing
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a lot of displaced farmworker families.
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So this, this means basically when you replace a worker,
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you're taking their livelihood,
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you're taking their job,
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they're not going to be able to maintain and survive their family
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And that's just really,
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it's just, it's just a terrible situation,
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especially having the nonprofit that we have Celebration Nation and we serve
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farmer communities, you know,
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being in need, giving them food,
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the basic resources. We've been seeing a lot of more people
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coming in and so what we already see like there's gonna be
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an overwhelming amount of need.
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So a lot of them are also undocumented.
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So a lot of them won't be able to just find a
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job just as quickly.
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Right. They do ag work because it's one of the only
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jobs that they're gonna be able to get.
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And so now that their choices are very limited to none at
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all, you're looking at a lot of our comunidad,
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like, what's going to happen?
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Right. Like, are they going to move back to,
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like, the countries like Mexico?
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Are they going to be out in the streets?
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Right. Like Questa Paan?
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No, because yeah,
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in a way, maybe it will help them when they,
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since they won't have to do the labor being on their
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knees in the dirt under the sun and the pesticide exposure.
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But all those things are still going to happen.
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Like there's still gonna be so many pesticides on our food.
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And that's actually one of the,
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the biggest issues here that if we don't know who is watching
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our food, if we don't have a human eye or a
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human touch on our food,
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like we already have a crisis in our food system.
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A lot of people are getting sick from the food.
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A lot of people don't even know that pesticides play a big
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role in a lot of cancers.
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You know, we see a lot of farmworkers getting cancers all
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the time and it's because of the pesticide exposure that they end
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in the workplace. So them being removed isn't gonna remove the
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pesticides being sprayed on our food.
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We might even see even more of it because nobody's really there
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to say something about it.
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Right. And when we think about farm records,
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we might think that,
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you know, a lot of times that they might not have
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a voice, you know,
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historically, they've been underrepresented,
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they need us to be pretty much speaking it for them and
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fighting for them. But I think it's all about getting up
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to date, becoming informed on what's happening and just wanting to
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not let machines take over our food system because our food is
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either medicine or poison.
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And so it's really important that we know who's in control of
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that and if machines are in control of that,
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do we really control any part of our food system?
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And at the end of the day,
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like I'm watching, I pay attention,
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like who's bringing out these machines and it's a lot of like
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anti immigration companies and we know this because they're connected to like
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bringing certain politicians out,
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you know, sponsoring their trips to come out to certain
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areas, right? And so when you see like their logos
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there and you see they're the ones bringing out the machines,
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we see that their motives aren't necessarily like positive.
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It's more to like literally remove Ar gente from this country.
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And it's just like,
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it's such a weird motive,
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right? And it's all back to capitalism,
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but also these weird motives.
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It's not with good intention,
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what they're doing. Definitely.
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And Flor what can we do to help families and farm
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workers. Honestly, like I,
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I really admire the work that you do because you're,
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you're, you're about it.
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Like you don't just post about it.
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You're about it. We see you out there,
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you know, doing the work.
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So we really, really admire that by the way.
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Just have to say that thank you.
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Yeah. And then sometimes when you guys don't see me post
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enough, it's because I am out there trying to like figure
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this out la porque.
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It's a lot of moving pieces.
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And sometimes I even get like anxious that like we don't talk
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about it enough as a community because this is directly impacting not
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just our comunidad but like so many of our undocumented communities
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So I think at the end of the day,
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the biggest solution is literally like immigration reform.
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We need citizenship for Ar Gente because when they have a voice
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like they'll be the ones to speak up about pesticide exposure
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They'll be the ones to speak up about how they're treating
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the land, how they're treating the food,
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how they're treating the water porque.
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At the end of the day,
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we always see that it's always indigenous,
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the indigenous people. And we have to remember that we are
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the indigenous people, our farm workers are the indigenous people and
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there's actually a couple of bills on the table that actually is
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like the simplest way to legalize so many of our Gente,
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by the way, no one is illegal.
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I'm stolen land but all hr 1511 and s 26 06.
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Those are called the registry bills.
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Last time Ar Gente had Amnesty was in 19 86 and that
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was the last time they gave millions of people papers.
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That's when they allowed people to,
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that were working in the fields to sign up and get citizenship
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And that was so long ago and Argenta had been fighting
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for so long. So it's something.
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So these bills are literally the same thing.
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We're not even asking for a new law.
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We're asking for these bills to be updated.
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So update the registry.
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That's the whole hashtag and we want to see more of it
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because elections are coming up and it's getting serious and we don't
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see enough of you know,
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rallies and protests on these bills and they're just a simple solution
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And I just really hope we call our representatives,
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call your house representative,
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call your senate representatives,
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tell them to update these bills because on the day we have
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people power, we have local power and it's so important,
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especially in the election coming up,
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vote for your house reps,
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voting for your senate reps because as you guys saw,
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you know, the ban on tiktok,
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I think that was a really good example of how you build
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turn into law.
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I have a question.
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I, I feel like there's so much like,
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again, bad that we know about the robots and
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A, I kinda coming into the field.
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But is there any good whatsoever?
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I mean, so at the end of the day,
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I mean, if there is machines coming in,
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they should be helping the farm worker not replacing the farm worker
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because at the end of the day,
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yeah, maybe it'll help.
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For example, then farmers don't have to have this labor where
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they're on their knees or literally breaking their back every single day
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Right. There's so many ways that it could help them
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continue their work, but in the end,
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they're literally just completely replacing them,
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just like any job or any,
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any labor like work like machines help.
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But it should not be to the extent where they're being replaced
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I agree. No,
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I most definitely agree.
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Well, thank you so much,
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Flori really appreciate you coming on and breaking down what's going on
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and just giving us the facts.
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Yeah, because I was a little lost at first and I
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even thought, oh,
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like I thought it would help them,
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you know, not replace.
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So I appreciate you coming on and giving us,
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you know what's really going on?
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I know you plugged your social shortly.
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But where can people find more information that you want to again
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put out there so people can follow you and be updated?
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Yeah. So you can follow me personally at Flower in Spanish
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and then the nonprofit at Celebration Nation org.
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We're actually going to be talking more about this whole conversation on
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our nonprofits platform as well because a lot of farm workers,
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I mean, if you're talking about them being displaced,
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that means our nonprofit is going to me,
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it's gonna be working like triple time now.
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because we do have a lot of more families coming to
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us for food or help on housing and it's overwhelming to be
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honest. And so it's like we want to prevent.
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Thank you so much flo do our part.
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We got to get the word out.
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People have to know what's happening.
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Exactly. That's what we're doing here.
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That's why we wanted to do this segment too so people can
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know what's going on.
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But Muchos gracias, so we really appreciate you coming on,
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Flor, take care.
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Ok? We, we're in this together.
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We are.