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True Crime with Tammie Merheb-Chavez

Girl, Let Me Tell You
Glorelys gets hypnotized, Ivana describes growing up by OJ Simpon, and Jess asks all the right questions about Selena’s killer to our special guest, True Crimer Tammie Merheb-Chavez.
Show transcript
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I think that every Latina started their true crime fascination
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when Selena was murdered by Yolanda full on that Yoanda just
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killed Selena in cold blood.
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That's what it was.
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She had a very rough childhood growing up.
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She was often bullied, not only by her parents but by her siblings
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When I was in grade school, OJ Simpson's kids were in my school
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during the the murder trial.
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She was my big buddy.
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His da his daughter was my big buddy.
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Don't you think that maybe it creates like a sense of paranoia
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sometimes like a little bit too much, especially with the
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high rates of femicide.
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The high rates of female victims are on the rise.
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There was a whole section of women in these trials like in love
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with this matter what attracts us mainly to these cases and
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to these individuals is that to stare at something so primal
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in the face entices us.
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It's just part of our human nature.
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The fingerprint was matched to the house in New York.
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Girl, girl, girl, I'm solving the biggest of the come on baby
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Yes, it is.
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Today we're talking true crime, fierce phobias and maybe
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some hypnotism.
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What I'm so excited.
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Sorry, I just screamed way too hard.
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I'm so excited for this.
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I think that every Latina started their true crime fascination
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when Selena was murdered by Yolanda.
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I would agree with that.
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I, I feel like every year I do like a, like a yearly rabbit hole
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with Selena Princess Diana and OJ Simpson.
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Like these are just the crimes.
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I feel like you definitely stick to like the really warm comfort
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comfort I have when I was in grade school, OJ Simpson's kids
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were in my school during the, the murder trial was I, I was gonna
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make a bad jokes about Kloe Kardashian.
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But that was like, it was the first time I was like, so I like
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got stunned by even the, the idea of death and murder.
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But did you, did you watch like the, I guess so young?
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But I, I remember thinking like something's up but why is he
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alone when everybody's a carpool standing by himself and
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everybody else is on the other side?
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What do you mean?
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Like, what if he would come and pick up his kids during the trial
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and stuff?
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I think that's crazy that you went to school with OJ Simpson's
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kids.
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Yeah, she was my big buddy.
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His da his daughter was my big buddy.
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So it was like a whole thing.
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What's a big buddy?
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You have somebody who takes care of me?
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We had that in my school too.
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True crime and with Selena all like, you know, those, those
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that was the makes of my first idea of true crime.
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So, I don't know.
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II, I love true crime.
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I think there's a fine line where you can, like, watch enough
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to where you kind of understand, like how to defend yourself
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as a woman.
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I think that there's like stats that have come out about like
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true crime and it's good in the sense that OK, you can indulge
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a little bit and understand the mind of like a human is, is intriguing
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especially somebody that's out there doing stuff like that
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You're almost wondering like, what makes them so crazy?
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Like what makes them OK with, you know, thinking that it's
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OK to like go out there and do all these heinous things.
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But I think when it's too much, like sometimes it can be bad
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for the soul.
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I feel like sometimes I don't even watch, I don't even, it's
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like the same, like, it's like a dopamine.
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It's like a, it's like, it's not about the fear based thing
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It's like, discover, it's the excitement of discovering
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what's happening and then getting the answer from it.
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You know what I mean?
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I, I feel a little guilty being so intrigued by it.
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I'm not, I feel good about it, but I can't, can I ask you a question
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That's something that I thought about when we were talking
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about the episode.
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What's the difference?
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Between news and True Crime.
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Like, what does that question make sense?
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Because for me, I'm like, if it's an ongoing case, like when
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the Idaho four happens, I'm like, I'm involved in this because
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the roommate was awake.
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Like, I need answers for like my soul.
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But then people go out and watch s like, I don't watch the series
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unless like a big case OJ Simpson.
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Um, the, the old day versus the People was one of the best shows
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I've ever seen in my life.
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But like, what, what's the difference?
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Like, why do people go seek that out?
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We have to ask a true crime expert because I don't think any
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of us know that.
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Do you ever seek out?
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I, I do, I watch the Netflix series from time to time if it's
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like the top recommended one like the Mur the Murder, I didn't
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even watch before taking him and things like that or the night
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soccer was also really, really good.
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I think what makes me intrigued by it is the mind and you know
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what?
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Actually studies have also shown that it's mostly women or
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it's, I don't wanna say mostly, but it's, it's more women that
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are into true crime.
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And I think you have to ask yourself why, like, we're women
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in the world.
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So, but it's like women in the world and I think it's because
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like, we generally wanna understand, ok, if there's danger
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how do you respond how do you react?
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Like, what are you gonna do in this situation?
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The True Crime fans spend an average of four hours a week consuming
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true crime.
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That's, that's too much for me.
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Like I block everybody that talks true crime in my, on my, on
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my feed in the last six years, almost 200 true crime podcasts
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have come out.
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So it's like the main same thing that's listened to and watched
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It's interesting.
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But I think also, like, hopefully you get like a good ending
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at the end which can kind of give like people that are watching
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this, like some sense of, is there a good ending?
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Everybody ends in murder?
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No, but at least like they, either the person or like justice
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is served or something like the True crime episodes that don't
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end and resolve like that shit pisses me off.
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Like it's, he, he's still out there like he still.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I actually don't know.
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I don't know how much about OJ.
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Nobody know.
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I mean, I am, I know, I know, but I'm not telling anybody.
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I mean, I, I guess, but yeah, I just don't really seek it out
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I didn't watch the Dahmer case because I felt like sometimes
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in these situations, the family doesn't have a right to the
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story being produced.
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So, like the family of the Dahmer, I think some of the victims
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they said they didn't wanna wa they didn't want that out there
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and people still watched it.
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And I just, I feel like for me, like, it's like, I just, I don't
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find that genre interesting.
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I'm just excited to learn why it is so popular, why it's so addicting
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And I do think it has to do with like the dopamine and like the
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the, the click that we get for finding out things and the excitement
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of it.
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You know what else I thought about when thinking about this
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episode, sometimes they're like adjacent true crime things
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that are fiction.
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So like I did watch How To Get Away with murder and like some
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of those kind of shows is the does that kind of kind of, yeah
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it's not like true crime but it's like crime based shows.
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Like I can watch that.
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I can't watch something.
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I read something about how like we're so used to since like
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the Hunter and Gatherer Times of murderers and like rapes
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and like violence that is part of our like culture so much so
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that it's literally something that is just embedded in us
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to figure out why.
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And how about this if you are around it or not, it's just always
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a us in the media and things like that since the beginning of
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the Hunter and Gatherers time, you know, it's interesting
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you say that because I did read somewhere that even like back
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in the day when they would do like beheadings or like, you know
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public executions people would buy tickets to watch, to
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watch.
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So it's something about humans that are intrigued with other
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humans punishment or other humans that maybe do like big crazy
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violent acts again.
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But there's also the flip side of it is like, ok, are we numbing
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ourselves?
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So, are we coming more desensitized?
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Like when I see videos now on Instagram on music?
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I can't believe I'm watching somebody.
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I don't, that's dead.
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Like, what am I, what is happening and having no, like, you
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know, just, it's just like I'm, I'm, I'm consuming this energy
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without even knowing how it's affecting me mentally.
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Yeah.
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No, it's a, it's definitely so much to take it.
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It could be like very happy.
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But again, like, I think the interesting part of it is OK.
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Why are they, what about them actually growing up?
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I would always go on youtube and watch interviews with like
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serial killers.
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It is so intriguing to just watch how they're just so serious
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and they're like, yeah, I did that just detach and I think it
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had obviously is something mental, you know what I mean?
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Because there's like genuine people out there that actually
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find so much pleasure and, and actually going out there and
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and they're like, this is my next victim.
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Like they get like a rush about it.
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You when we see like these series, like we're literally see
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I'm already feeling very weird right now.
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I think talking to me about this and I know that we have a guest
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coming up and she's gonna tell us, I wanna know that we're gonna
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be talking to an expert who knows about the culture, knows
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about so many different cases and is, you know, actually the
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way that she even got brought in into true crime is so, so interesting
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So when we get back, we're gonna be talking to Tammy MB cha.
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So guys stay tuned.
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I'm so I was actually in my van.
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I had slept there in the middle of like converting it and yeah
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I got broken into when I was like asleep in the van.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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What?
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I was like crying.
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I, I kind of lived my life a little bit more trusting again.
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Like you don't think it's gonna happen to you until it happens
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to you.
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All right, you guys, we are back with our incredible guest
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Tammy Mh Chavez.
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I'm so excited about this.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and give them a quick little bit about
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you because you started off as a Hollywood costume designer
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And then that's when it kind of started intriguing you everything
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paranormal and you started your own podcast series and you've
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worked in a lot of different areas of the paranormal world
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but really the deep roots of this started in New Orleans,
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right from what I understand.
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Absolutely.
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Oh my God girl.
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OK.
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So you're somebody that can actually sit there and hand.
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So much true crime and paranormal stuff because it's not built
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for everybody.
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Like Gloria.
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She's like, complete opposite of that.
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So, tell me a little bit about, like, your intrigue in this
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because again, it's not for everybody.
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It's not for everybody.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's definitely not for everyone.
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But I think it should be for a lot of us women too.
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There is a sisterhood when it comes to true crime because it's
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predominantly made up of women because it's for women to learn
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how to survive, not only to protect themselves but to survive
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in a society where the justices are not always in our favor
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So that is the reality of it, especially with the high rates
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of femicide, the high rates of female victims are on the rise
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I mean, this is a way for us to fight and learn how to survive
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in this new world.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah, that's, don't, don't you think that?
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I, I agree because I think when we were talking about this,
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like, I never thought about that perspective.
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I guess I'm always like on edge and hyper vigilant from being
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in New York.
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I'm like, I'm on the train.
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Anybody, anything can happen.
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Right.
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But don't you think that maybe it CRE creates like a sense of
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paranoia sometimes like a little bit too much.
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It could create a fine line.
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Yeah, I mean, it's a double edged sword.
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It is a double edged sword when it comes to true crime and a lot
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of us can get a little too immersed in it to where it could cause
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some harm.
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Has that ever happened to you?
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Um Yes, there are times where I've had to literally step back
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away and just say I need to take a break.
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I need a, I need a pallet cleanse.
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Do you consider yourself a true crime expert?
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No, no one is, no one is necessarily a true crime expert because
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I mean, we're not equipped and we're not educated to be experts
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We're all armchair detectives.
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We're just here to commentate and tell us.
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So what was like the first story that really like pulled you
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into this world and intrigued you to keep studying and getting
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Yeah, because I mean, everybody has that moment where you're
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like that first spark, you know.
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Yeah, that first spark started with the case of Selena Quintanilla
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I told you I told you, but I'm six degree separation from it
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because my mom worked for a law firm that represented a lot
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of the police officers and negotiators that handled the apprehension
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of Yolanda Saldivar.
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The most hated Latina.
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I hate her so much as her pretend character on screen.
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I hated her as well.
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But I'm wondering so what, what's the, what, what was your
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side of the story?
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What did you get that the people that we didn't get to see full
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on that?
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Yanda just killed Selena in cold blood is what it was she had
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So it was she lost control of her friend.
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She lost control is what it is, is because she knew that she
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was in the wrong with a lot of things that she was doing, taking
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a funds, taking of money, taking advantage of her and the family
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And at some point she broke.
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And if you go back to her upbringing, it also describes a different
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tale.
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Like her upbringing was pretty rough.
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She had a very rough childhood growing up.
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She was often believe, believed not only by her parents but
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by her siblings.
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I mean, she transferred to different high schools, different
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schools all over.
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And I mean, she had a hard time trying to connect and here she
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had Selena that she could connect with.
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It was like her best.
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It was like someone that she, but then it was somebody that
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was also gaining more notoriety that as a, as a friend, you're
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like, yeah, you feel like you're losing him, which no, obviously
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not.
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But from her mind, that's like her standpoint.
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You think like psychologically that's what made her top off
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There's always a debate.
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Was it nature versus nurture a lot of times for a lot of these
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perpetrators, it's, is it, is it nurture?
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But is it nature holding the gun at the same time?
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What is like the through line for most in most of these cases
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Do you think like the with the reasoning of these murders and
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things like that it's over there or is there?
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It's hard to say it's so some of them, some of them, for some
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of them, you know, it's just based on the nurturing, it's how
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they're brought up and then, you know, exactly.
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Let me take an example for Jeffrey Dahmer.
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You know, like we just knew that Jeffrey just wasn't right
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growing up based on the stories that we've read about him and
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articles, he just wasn't right.
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And he has no remorse whatsoever for any of the victims that
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he had murdered and killed in his time, no remorse whatsoever
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There's no follow through either.
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And it's just like a sociopath.
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It's just like they, they're a sociopath because I was telling
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him like, before I, do you watch like interviews?
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Like, I like a jail cell of just like straight sociopaths and
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there is nothing there, nothing behind the eye, right?
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Have you ever gotten to interview?
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Gotten like, not that, you know, I don't know.
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I just think it's so interesting.
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But have you ever been able to sit down with a sociopath and
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interview them the way that they do like these interviews
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or?
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No?
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Would you ever want to?
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I, I would like to sit in on an interview but not to you one because
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it messes with your.
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So why does he like intrigue you so much?
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I want to know that for a lot of people we want to know, especially
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for myself.
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I think what attracts women.
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Let's just start there.
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What attracts us mainly to these cases.
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And to these individuals is that we're one step closer to something
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primal.
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We're, we're very close to something primitive to stare at
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something so primal in the face entices us.
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It's just part of our human nature and this is as close as we're
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gonna go.
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You know what?
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You know, it's so interesting you bring this up because I don't
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know whoever seen like night Stalker.
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I don't know if you guys remember, but there was like a whole
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segment on it.
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This man is obviously going around killing people in cold
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blood in the middle of their sleep like or in the middle, like
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in their house in the middle of the night.
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So there was a whole section of women in these trials like in
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love with this man.
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Like, I mean, like fans, it was the Night Stalker, right?
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You know what I'm talking about?
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Like Ramirez was later coded as uh being the death row.
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Romeo.
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Could you imagine?
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Like this is a man that will kill you and yet women and this is
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like taking it a step further as to women that are really into
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this.
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Like there's a whole, there's a, there's a term for that, that's
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called hyperopia.
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So what exactly hyperopia is under the umbrella term of paraphilia
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So you have all the pelias, all the weird fias, like even the
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filia and the phobias.
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Yeah, the, the filia and the phobias are so true.
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Like you have pedophilia.
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You know, that's, you know, the attraction to young Children
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But there's also hyperopia which is the sexual attraction
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to serial killers and criminals.
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So there's two forms of hyperopia.
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There's the form where women such as the women that pined for
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Richard Ramirez.
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Ted Bundy and even Ted Bundy also, even Jeffrey Dahmer.
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You know, um they are under the section a of hyperopia where
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they will fall in love.
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I could change him.
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I could take care of him.
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I could nurture will come for me.
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He won't come for me.
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But then there's type e hyperopia where it's the women that
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will kill for them that will kill and be with you.
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What's the name of the guy that it's like a kind of different
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subject?
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But the cult Charles and didn't he have like a whole group of
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girls that were like they went out to do the, the LaBianca murders
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and the Sharon Tate murders as well.
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How being involved in true crime affect your personal relationship
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I'm just curious.
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Do you talk about, do you have a partner at times?
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I do with you?
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Not, not, sometimes he doesn't want to hear it but he just like
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rolls his eyes or he'll like overhear a conversation that
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I'll have with a friend over the phone about a certain crime
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or a case and he would just be like, I don't know why you like
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this stuff.
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But then again, I think that's my question.
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Right?
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Like for me, I don't find it productive, right?
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I said this is the most respectful way.
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Like, I just don't know, like why people get fascinated with
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these cases just watching it for like fun.
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I just can't ration like it just doesn't make sense in my brain
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And there's some people that, that do watch it for fun, but
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there's also victims that watch it because it's their way
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to treat their own traumas.
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And there's been several podcasts that have actually participated
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in finding clues and finding things that re open cases.
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I think that for me is so fascinating where, like, I think you
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I think you, you don't call yourself an expert where but maybe
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that like help somebody find justice.
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But like when it's just kind of like, I don't know, like, I just
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can't be like, I'm watching this to go to sleep and I'm like
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and actually so many women do want it to go to sleep.
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There's actually people comfort in it earlier that and I read
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too that research says that it's like a primitive thing that
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because murders and rapes and violence that has been part
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of our society for so long, it's kind of a way to like, protect
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ourselves and our kin with the other subconsciously, like
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not really knowing, like, not really knowing why, but we
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wanna protect, uh, like it's innately in our DNA without even
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knowing if it's not personal.
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Yeah.
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I think, like we were talking about, I think there's a fine
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line between, obviously completely not consuming it and
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consuming it all the time.
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You have to find, I think that right line, especially as women
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because you learn, I have learned so much from cases.
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I mean, even think about the Selena case Now it's like, ok,
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you think a little bit more about your friendships?
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What red flags are you saying?
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Obviously, not everybody is gonna turn out to be like a Yolanda
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But again, like what kind of child?
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I mean, these are all things again as women not.
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And I think this is why women find so much comfort sometimes
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in watching it is because it's like, ok, I can learn a survival
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instinct or what did this person to potentially escape from
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Jeffrey Dahmer or like, you know, whatever it might be a.
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So it's like, it's kind of like that Survivor part.
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What is a story that has like really stuck with you?
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And that has like, and some pointers or some advice you can
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get give others because of that story.
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It was the case of Vanessa again, who was this 20 year old military
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specialist out of fort hood Texas and it took her murder and
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her case to open the eyes of the public and the media about so
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many wrongdoings within the military.
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After her case came out, so many women, specifically women
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of color in the military who are going in to serve for their
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country are being abused by these superiors of theirs.
19:13
You know, they're being and, and don't mean to be so triggering
19:16
but raped and she was the one who actually her case blew up.
19:21
Yeah, I remember that.
19:23
Yeah.
19:23
And it's very triggering.
19:24
Yeah, I was, and I think it did bring attention to other, there
19:27
were like other murders and that's even people that are still
19:30
missing from those still missing from military base.
19:34
Uh those uh barracks and stuff.
19:36
Yes, those bases, I guess for me, like, why do some cases get
19:39
sensationalized?
19:40
Like Jody, I think I forgot her name, Jody.
19:42
The Jody died hair blondes right before she killed her man
19:46
or maybe not.
19:47
Uh why do some cases get sensationalized and some like, don't
19:49
even go, oh, I like, don't get any publicity.
19:53
Like, why do you think that there is a study out there with sociologists
19:56
that have come up with the white woman victim syndrome?
19:59
And it's when the white woman victims are overwhelming, overwhelmingly
20:04
over sensationalized by the media eye.
20:07
It's always the missing white woman who is upper middle class
20:11
very attractive and now their story is all over the news.
20:17
And um you know, this is kind of like what we saw with the Gabby
20:21
Petito case, but I remember that I wanted to do family life
20:25
So I followed that very closely because her life was being
20:27
followed, you know, on social media, people were following
20:30
her life getting to know her and then all of a sudden she's gone
20:33
but then people neglected to remember the 30 indigenous
20:37
women that went missing during that same time.
20:40
So here we are with this overwhelming over sensationalized
20:43
case.
20:44
And then you have all these other women from these different
20:46
communities going missing and being murdered.
20:49
Even in true crime like Latinos and minorities don't get the
20:53
the attention in the light that they could.
20:54
Now we are ladies and tell us how you have.
20:57
That's something that you pass, pass about because these
21:01
are stories that matter.
21:02
You know, we have so many, we have so many people coming up.
21:06
It's been a study recently shown that now 46% of women behind
21:10
the podcast mics are Latinas.
21:14
That's the true crime girl.
21:17
Listen to sisters that kill.
21:19
That's a really good one that NAO is another one that's really
21:24
good.
21:25
I wonder why we are now and coming into a society where we're
21:29
realizing that a lot of the stories are mainly told by white
21:33
women behind mics.
21:34
And I think it's time for us to really go behind the mics and
21:37
tell the stories of those that are not often heard about.
21:40
Do you, I was gonna ask that, do you feel like sometimes because
21:43
maybe there's a serial killer out there that's watching a
21:45
True Crime podcast or something or a Netflix series and they're
21:48
seeing the glory, like, not the glory, but it is in a way sensa
21:53
sensationalized.
21:55
Do you ever feel like that can inspire people to be like, damn
21:57
like, look at, look at all the attention they're getting
22:00
They got a whole Netflix series or whatever.
22:02
You know what?
22:02
Like, I mean, I'm talking crazy people.
22:04
Right?
22:04
Look at this and they're like, maybe I, because I think it was
22:07
it like the night stalker that talked about that he's like
22:08
I wanted to be, I aimed to be the next big killer because he saw
22:14
how much attention other killers were getting.
22:15
You know what I mean?
22:16
Because I mean, the eighties was definitely a setting for
22:20
a lot of these serial killers.
22:22
Like the eighties was for, like, was ready for Richard Ramirez
22:26
That's what it pretty much was.
22:27
And he set the stage and set the stage and he, he loves the attention
22:33
He loved it.
22:34
He would like, look at the camera and like, oh my God, I mean
22:36
that's how he got a lot of attention, especially with the
22:38
women too.
22:39
So, I mean, he took advantage of every moment he can with the
22:43
sensationalism and with the court trials and everything
22:47
Like he knew what he was doing, he knew very well what he was
22:50
doing.
22:51
I just feel bad.
22:51
Like I just feel like, and I get it, like a lot of people, like
22:54
white media gets a lot of attention.
22:56
But like, I think sometimes there's certain stories that
22:58
really hit us.
22:59
Like, I feel like they were college students.
23:00
Like, I know what it's like to live off campus and like, it just
23:04
made my brain, like, really have like retroactive anxiety
23:08
of like, I know what it's like to be off campus in a random house
23:11
and you just not, it's just personal haunting stories.
23:14
I have one but I don't want le let's talk true crime, personal
23:18
stories that have haunted us and anyone that's watching just
23:21
drop their story in the comments that we can discuss this and
23:25
um we'll see what you have one.
23:27
What's yours besides OJ?
23:31
I have one.
23:32
Well, I, I think I kind of talked about this.
23:33
I did talk about this briefly but I got like, I was in my van because
23:36
ok, you guys know I'm like trying to convert my van and I'm
23:39
trying to like travel the country and it mind you very scary
23:41
if you're like a girl solo female traveler living out like
23:46
a van life type thing.
23:47
It is scary.
23:48
But, but here's the thing, I'm thankful for.
23:51
True.
23:52
I know.
23:52
I'm so scared already.
23:53
I know but I, I, I think you're so excited about Van Life after
23:58
Gabby Pito.
23:59
I am excited.
24:00
I, because here's my thing, I'm not gonna live my life.
24:03
I understand like it's scary.
24:05
But I can't also live my life just petrified all the time.
24:08
I can be, look at the night stalker, you could be in your own
24:10
home and something could happen.
24:11
There's gonna be fear at every facet.
24:13
But what I'm thankful for true crime is it, it makes me more
24:16
aware.
24:16
So I was actually in my van, I had slept there in the middle of
24:20
like converting it and I was parked on Hollywood Boulevard
24:24
Like, ok, listen, this is what I'm saying.
24:30
Listen, I just got here and I know that's not a place apart,
24:34
of course, and mind you, I'm like an L A local, but sometimes
24:36
I'm a little bit trusting of the world and I, and sometimes
24:41
I can think, you know, what, what, what could happen to me and
24:43
yeah, I got broken into when I was like asleep in the van.
24:46
Wait, wait, wait, what, why do you say?
24:50
Why would you, you were parked on holy ground for what reason
24:53
So I was just, I was like, knocked out there.
24:55
I didn't want to drive home because it was like a really late
24:58
night and I lived really, really far.
24:59
So I had like, I had like a sleeping situation where I'm like
25:02
ok, you know what, I'm just gonna knock out here and take a
25:04
power nap.
25:04
Sorry, I, I ended up sleeping there the entire night and then
25:09
I woke up to so many of my things stolen out of my van, I was like
25:13
crying.
25:14
It was like such an intense moment for me, which actually deterred
25:18
me from wanting to do Van Life for the longest time because
25:21
I was like, this is scary.
25:22
Like what happens when I'm in the middle of, who knows where
25:25
in the middle of the US.
25:26
Luckily I had like my friends come in that were able to come
25:29
in and like help me in that situation.
25:31
But again, I think true crime helps people like me in the sense
25:34
of OK, be more aware of your surroundings, especially when
25:36
you're dealing with something that traumatic.
25:38
It's like, yeah, you're a little bit more aware of your situations
25:41
You're more like double checking the doors because again
25:44
I, I kind of lived my life a little bit more trusting again
25:47
Like you don't think it's gonna happen to you until it happens
25:50
to you.
25:51
I feel like I just never need a true crime.
25:53
Like I know like I'm, I'm new to L A so I know that people don't
25:56
look behind the door when they close the door.
25:58
Like I make sure I lock the door like I don't care where I'm going
26:01
I locked the door.
26:02
I bought one of those like viral like safety things, whatever
26:04
Like I just feel like I think like when you live in a ma a major
26:08
city, like, like this is just common sense like to just always
26:11
be like super vigilant but I just, I have a clarifying question
26:14
Jessica.
26:14
We talking about Hollywood Boulevard with the stars.
26:17
No.
26:17
What?
26:18
Hollywood it was in Hollywood.
26:19
It wasn't like, it was off it, like, in one of, like the neighborhood
26:22
I wasn't, like, parked next to the stars even then I feel like
26:26
that would have been better than the situation I was in.
26:29
But again, I think it was just like a late night I really wasn't
26:31
thinking and I think, you know, it's one of those like, really
26:33
tough lessons.
26:34
It was like a really hard moment.
26:36
And again, like, Van life has been my dream for a long time and
26:38
I could be like, I'm not doing this anymore, but I've been wanting
26:41
to do it for so long.
26:42
I like to travel the world road trip style that I'm gonna continue
26:46
to push forward and do it.
26:48
But again, with a little bit more understanding of like, yeah
26:51
there's not, there's a lot of bad people in the world that's
26:55
just the reality.
26:55
But there's also a lot of good people.
26:59
I mean, it's, it's gonna have the good in the back.
27:01
Yeah, I will say my last story is like a month ago.
27:04
I was at my parents' house which is, it's, it's in a good neighborhood
27:07
and I parked my car in the daytime, went to take my dog on a walk
27:12
came back and I see my bag, like my bag that was in my car in the
27:17
middle of the street, like two streets away from my house.
27:19
And I was like, wait, I just came home, somebody went into my
27:23
car in the middle of the day in this nice neighborhood and to
27:26
rob my stuff and threw the rest of the stuff in the middle of
27:28
the street.
27:29
So like you and then I went on the, I went on, there's like a,
27:32
an app that shows you what you do and it said like this, it's
27:35
Rob or Rob like five houses that day.
27:37
The Citizen App.
27:38
So the app, yeah, there's like, there's people that, that's
27:41
like the thing is like people go out and do multiple things
27:45
in one day.
27:45
That's like their full time job.
27:46
Yeah, I mean, there's misdemeanors and then there's, you
27:49
know, killing sprees and serial killers.
27:51
I love the way you guys just heal from these traumatic because
27:56
it's not easy still.
27:58
Like uh there's something I'm holding in that I don't wanna
28:00
say like something happened in where I live.
28:03
It was back to back murders.
28:04
Like, so I just, that's why I just feel like I just don't, I,
28:08
I just feel like it's weird that people are fat.
28:11
I was terrified for like all like it happened back to back.
28:14
I went every time I left.
28:15
So I was like every time me and my cousin went on vacation it
28:18
was a fucking murder.
28:19
So I just feel like it's just weird.
28:20
It was like near me.
28:22
I just, I am still traumatized and I'm like processing it right
28:25
now.
28:26
I'm like, you guys are like, oh my God, I'm moving on.
28:27
Somebody stole my shit.
28:29
No, I'm not saying, OK, but first off, I'm not saying it like
28:32
somebody broke into my van.
28:33
I'm saying somebody broke into my van.
28:35
It's taken like years to heal, but I have to move on with my life
28:38
and I have to understand that these things happen and to, you
28:42
know, keep, honestly, keep tuning into things like this where
28:44
you can learn from the world can be a dark place sometimes.
28:48
And we need to continue learning and educating ourselves
28:51
And honestly, thank you so much.
28:53
By the way, I know it's hard but I, I need a drink after, I don't
28:59
know what's happening, but I second thought too and when we
29:02
come back, we can talk about phobias and fears and, and hypnotism
29:06
and all these and all the other parts of this and all the, I don't
29:10
know.
29:10
But I thank you.
29:12
Thank you.
29:12
Thank you.
29:13
All right.
29:13
Well, we're gonna play a game, a phobia.
29:15
Face off what?
29:17
Gamo, Gamo Phobia.
29:18
I'm really curious.
29:20
I, I think you got GMO Gloria is coming for you today.
29:24
What I'm just saying?
29:30
All right, let's get down to some sips, tips with Tammy, bringing
29:35
her hometown drink to us.
29:37
We're so excited.
29:38
Tell us a little bit about what this drink is where it came from
29:41
and you like to drink.
29:42
You had a very strong, that's how we do.
29:49
What are we, what are we sipping right now?
29:50
Well, I'm originally from New Orleans and I'm from the big
29:53
easy and if you're local then you know about the strength
29:56
This is called the flaming Dr Pepper and its claim that it was
29:59
invented and a little bar called the Gold Mine Saloon off of
30:03
Dauphine Street in the French quarter.
30:05
So this is definitely an intense drink and you know that you're
30:10
from New Orleans if you know that and what, what is it made of
30:15
You got some rum and you got some Amaretto and you got to dunk
30:18
it down in a, like in a, in a pint.
30:21
So yeah, it's like a New Orleans sake bomb but like strong,
30:26
which I love it is very strong.
30:27
Have dr pepper in it.
30:29
Yes, it's gonna have, it should have Dr pepper in it.
30:31
It should be a flame in Dr pepper because you're gonna light
30:33
it and then you're gonna dunk it in the pint.
30:35
I'm gonna be honest.
30:35
I never really had that pepper.
30:37
Yeah, I'm serious.
30:38
First time for everything you did it turn your hair red.
30:42
I mean, I don't know.
30:45
This is why probably New Orleans has all this freaky stuff
30:48
happening because you guys are drinking this thinking you're
30:50
seeing Ghost.
30:50
But it's really because you're doing that well, that's why
30:52
they call it spirits for a reason.
30:54
You're being possessed by a different form of spirits here
30:57
Ok.
30:57
What makes this?
30:58
So it's the alcohol.
31:00
That's what?
31:01
Oh, do I just check it out?
31:04
Oh my God.
31:05
You guys, hey, seriously, I'm so slow at this.
31:07
Do not make fun of me.
31:07
I'm a shorts girl.
31:08
So funny that this is our night cap.
31:10
You drink it, wait, do you just drink it?
31:15
You got, you gotta pound it.
31:17
So to New Orleans, to New Orleans Tammy?
31:22
Or, or no New Orleans?
31:25
Oh my God.
31:26
It's gonna just be us checking it.
31:29
What's up girls?
31:30
Enjoy?
31:32
Where's your workers are like, I'm feeling it.
31:37
What do you mean?
31:38
Oh my God.
31:39
I'm gonna be honest.
31:40
I don't think I'll be able to finish this.
31:41
I wasn't good at drinking coffee.
31:44
Oh, it's actually really smooth.
31:47
I will tell you and I love that.
31:49
It's strong but you don't, it's like this, the sweetness,
31:53
the sweetness of the, what is it called?
31:55
Amaretto, the sweetness of the Amaretto takes away that the
31:58
bitterness of the beer.
31:59
So it makes it kind of like a, like a syrupy taste so good.
32:04
All right, you guys, well, phobias are like an extreme or irrational
32:07
fear to something.
32:08
Um What are you most afraid of?
32:10
What do you, what can you like?
32:11
Are we gonna go down the line and I forget the name of it, but
32:15
it's like, I don't even know how to describe it, but it's a fear
32:17
of just a lot of how would you say it?
32:21
Alicia was Alicia.
32:22
She knows.
32:22
But anyway, it's like, it's like a bunch of like holes or texture
32:26
dots and it's just like cluster and it's so disgusting.
32:29
And if they show a picture of you guys, I'm so sorry in advance
32:32
I don't even wanna look, I don't even want to look at the screen
32:35
because it, uh, it makes my skin crawl and I can't, I'm not even
32:39
gonna try Phobe or like even thinking about it makes me crazy
32:44
Do you guys feel this or is it just me?
32:45
No, I don't feel that at all.
32:46
It's a version to objects that have repetitive patterns or
32:49
clusters of small holes.
32:50
I just a bunch of little small holes.
32:52
I cannot, I do well with like swimming in the Caribbean with
32:56
coral reef like this.
32:57
Give me like a coral reef.
32:58
See, I I and I get, but what does it make you feel?
33:01
Does it make you feel fear?
33:02
Does it make you feel like disgusted?
33:04
What does it make you feel?
33:05
Honestly?
33:05
It's like a cringe.
33:06
What about, what about Gloria?
33:08
I don't like people in mascots like it's not Halloween costume
33:11
like in specific mascots.
33:13
Like people that like Barney, I would, if you guys brought
33:16
Barney up in here, I would be so tight.
33:18
So that, that's called Max Phobia.
33:20
Like some, you see that be that um penguin.
33:23
Like it just scared me.
33:23
Like the eyes.
33:25
It, I don't know, like I feel like my spirit.
33:27
It does not sit irrational fear of mass and people in costume
33:30
clothing.
33:31
I never, I didn't know that even exists.
33:32
It was yours.
33:33
OK.
33:33
Mine is so weird but ever since I was little, I can handle it
33:37
but even saying it makes my mo my mouth like like jolt.
33:40
It's the felt of the top of a car and like scratching it with
33:45
your nails.
33:45
Like that sound friction.
33:47
No, the sound, the friction like it makes me almost wanna throw
33:50
up actually.
33:50
And I don't know exactly what it is that the Misophonia strongest
33:55
like in hatred of certain sounds so like nails on a chalkboard
34:00
It's, it's really bad.
34:02
It's, it's actually debilitating sometimes for me.
34:04
I think.
34:06
What's yours?
34:06
Do you have one?
34:07
Oh, yeah.
34:07
I have a fear of heights.
34:08
I, oh my palms get sweaty.
34:10
My feet feel very heavy.
34:12
I, I remember when I tried to visit the Golden Gate Bridge,
34:15
I couldn't even walk on it.
34:16
I was like, hey, can you, can you fly?
34:18
Can you fly?
34:19
Um I can, I can if I close my eyes, I have my my little mask but
34:23
I can't have a window seat that I can be in a seat.
34:29
Is not that great.
34:30
I love the window seat.
34:32
I need the window seat.
34:33
If I will.
34:34
If I could pay extra, I'm paying for the window seat.
34:37
We're gonna play a game, we're gonna play a game.
34:39
We're gonna do a phobia face off.
34:42
Yeah, we're going to break down phobias.
34:44
Some of I might not be able to say some of these words because
34:46
English is my second language, but we have some phobias lined
34:49
up and you're gonna guess what it is just from the name.
34:53
If you get it right.
34:54
You got a point and it's super simple.
34:57
So are you ready to potentially bring it on?
35:00
Bring it on?
35:00
Ok.
35:01
So the, the first phobia is Pogo.
35:05
No Phobia, homophobia like Latin.
35:12
Like are they?
35:13
OK.
35:14
So everybody goes down the line, Ivana first guess what is
35:16
it?
35:16
Just say it like maybe jump, jump up and down Pono or like be
35:27
that a thing?
35:30
I do not have that.
35:31
Why would I, I don't have that record?
35:34
I love facial hair.
35:35
I love beards.
35:36
I love, oh no, Shave, November and Lumberjacks are your enemies
35:43
They are my best friends.
35:44
A lumberjack girl.
35:47
I would tell my husband to grow that beard, grow that beard
35:50
Gaga phobia.
35:52
First of all, Ivana, let me read them.
35:54
Gamo Phobia.
35:58
Fear of gaming isn't in the first three words.
36:05
What?
36:07
I'm moderating.
36:08
No.
36:09
What's your guess?
36:10
I don't know dinosaurs.
36:12
That's good.
36:13
That's the fear of.
36:17
I'm really curious.
36:20
I, I think you got GMO.
36:22
Damn.
36:24
I'm just calling all situations.
36:26
If this phobia.
36:27
Is that your intuition?
36:29
It, I'm just being, I definitely don't have g I'm trying to
36:33
to open A, I think every airline has GMO, Xanthophobia, Xantho
36:39
It's even like demons afraid of demons of charms.
36:45
I, I honestly I couldn't even tell you yellow.
36:49
Why would you be afraid of it?
36:51
I love it.
36:51
There's genuinely people out there that like, see yellow
36:54
and like create it and create it.
36:56
Imagine they avoid school buses.
37:01
Platanos.
37:02
Oh, they can't be Latino and, and it would probably drop the
37:05
a minion.
37:06
It would probably no Dominicans are, are I I love the color
37:10
yellow, yellow is the color of Yemen job.
37:13
I think so.
37:14
I love her.
37:14
OK.
37:15
Next.
37:16
Oh man, I've never heard of these.
37:18
Honestly.
37:19
I think it's fear of, of ear wax.
37:23
OK?
37:23
I like that.
37:24
I thank you.
37:25
Thank you.
37:25
I'm trying to think like chewing like you.
37:28
I don't know.
37:28
OK.
37:28
Chewing the uh who has phobia at me every day?
37:39
Definitely wouldn't work as an excuse on Latino parents who
37:41
tell us to work as a solution to boredom or depression.
37:43
OK.
37:44
So you just like phobia in the Latin community?
37:47
You like frolicking during the day and not doing it.
37:49
Depression.
37:50
You just need to go outside.
37:52
Wait, who is winning the game?
37:54
Nobody I think, I think you know that we have one more aluminum
38:00
Phobia aluminum.
38:01
This is when you're allergic to Reynolds, wrap the air pollution
38:05
Reynolds don't tell me you don't use Reynolds.
38:07
What is Raynolds.
38:08
Oh my God.
38:11
He is up for failure.
38:18
Nobody on this plane is scared of, of as long as you're everything
38:23
other than avocados.
38:24
OK.
38:24
That's, that's me.
38:26
I hate avocado.
38:27
So why you, who's the winner?
38:30
Nobody won?
38:32
I won.
38:34
Hopefully the watchers are better than us on this one.
38:37
That was fun.
38:38
I need a break.
38:39
But don't go anywhere.
38:40
We have a surprise for you ladies.
38:42
We'll get back.
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We have a surprise.
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I have a surprise for you, Ivan specifically for you.
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Yeah, I wanna, I wanna know what that is.
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She had brought something up that I didn't realize was a trigger
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for me.
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So she was like, oh like this 911 affect you and you know, I'm
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from New York actually, I am still traumatized from this experience
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It was a terrorism attack.
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Ok.
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So I know we're talking a little bit about like our phobias
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I know we all have them.
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How do you guys like handle that?
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I'm gonna start with you Gloria because I do feel like you honestly
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just you have phobias girl.
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Like I don't know like how you're dealing with.
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Well, we're all dealing with phobias.
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How do you guys deal with like our overarching things that
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you know, the things that we're scared of like the things that
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actually like you feel in your soul, like you're scared of
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like how are we dealing with that?
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Ignore them.
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So I, I know I can take that I've helped you with your fear of
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flying.
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First of all, you just wanted that on camera.
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You just said that, I said that you said that on camera.
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So how have you faced those people?
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I'm gonna, but this is like a real time thing.
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Like, it's not like, uh I'm facing him every day.
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Like I actually hate flying.
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I fly here like a few times.
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I fly, I've been flying all year and I think me and Ivana, if
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you wanna put it out there, Ivana got on my nerves.
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We were out drinking and she was like, do you want me to say?
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Sure.
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Ok.
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Well, she, she had brought something up that I didn't realize
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was a trigger for me.
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So she was like, oh, like does 911 affect you?
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And you know, I'm from New York.
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So I didn't realize that.
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Actually it does.
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And then once you brought it to life, it did sit in my head.
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It came, I guess it was back here and it said it came up here.
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I was like, yo, like, actually I'm still traumatized from
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this experience.
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It was a terrorism attack.
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So I'm traumatized, but I feel like I have a therapist and she
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was like, you gotta just go to the flight with your eye and my
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therapist shouldn't be giving me that advice.
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But I just got through it.
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What I feel like if I have a fear, I just face it head on, let me
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jump out of this plane.
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Let me, let me go into this life.
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Let me just face it.
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You hate heights and you jumped out of a jump out of a plane,
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you jumped out of a plane.
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Can you do that?
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My cousin, I'm so close to my cousin, I'm so close to my prima
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and in New Orleans she found this place that did like skydiving
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and she's like, I'm gonna do it and I followed her and I saw her
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go out of the plane and parachute and I was like, no, she goes
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down, that's a promise.
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We always had, she goes down, I go down and that's, that's,
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that's what your mom like to fo if your friends do that, you're
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gonna do that too.
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Yes.
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You know.
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You know, and, and, and for me, I went down and I blacked out
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halfway.
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I believe you actually, you know those videos of where somebody's
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like on a slingshot and they're like, yes, I know what I'm talking
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because I had the instructor behind me.
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He was like waking, he was like pinching me.
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I was like, oh yeah.
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Oh my God.
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I'm like 15,000 ft away.
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You did raw face, your fear?
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Have you ever thought about, yeah.
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You raw dog that fear?
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Have you ever thought about maybe getting some like intervention
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like, maybe hypnotherapy or something like that in a while
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Yes.
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Have you done it?
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I haven't done it yet.
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I've been so intrigued about it.
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Yeah.
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Well, I have a surprise.
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Um, as you all know it.
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Um, I, I love my girl Ivano finally.
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I didn't know.
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I, I love you.
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You in the beginning I loved you forever.
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Um, and I decided to set up a hypnotherapy session for you and
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I want you.
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What are we hypnotherapy?
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What I want you, you help me get over a fear and I want you to get
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over a fear.
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So we're, I'm dead ass.
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So we're going to, that's a New York right now.
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Not right now.
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We're gonna go on an off site like after, you know, we've been
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behind the scene and I'm gonna have you get hypnotized.
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Do you know what you wanna do?
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You have any fears you wanna address like love career?
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Like I wanna, I wanna hit like my golden hour of life.
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Like, how do I get hypnotized to like, like put the pedal to
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the metal?
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What do you think it's gonna do?
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Like, I, I wanna know like, what do I, I don't think I let go of
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distraction, let go of doubts.
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Like just stay focused like tunnel vision.
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I wanna be here to be in my tunnel vision because I know exactly
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what I want and where I wanna be and who I wanna be.
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Like, how do I get there faster?
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I'm gonna, I'm so excited.
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Um Tammy, I know that we're about to wrap up.
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I just wanna thank you for your transparency.
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One of my favorite guys only because I love, I love and I appreciate
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what you do.
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But back.
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Can you shout out any of your socials binge?
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Watch all of that.
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Well, I'm at Haunted L A Girl on tiktok and you can follow me
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in my podcast at Hollywood Paranormal on Instagram and Facebook
43:19
And of course, the formerly known website is Twitter of X.
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We're also at HWP podcast and yeah, this has been our episode
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of Girl.
43:26
Let me tell you see, this was a true crime episode.
43:30
I'm gonna let the girls know that I solved the murder of the
43:32
Los Angeles killer in Beverly Hills.
43:36
Come look at my shit down.
43:38
I worked really hard.
43:39
I worked overnight.
43:42
I do wanna see.
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You gotta believe me.
43:44
So there's this man, he used to be a football player was badly
43:48
in love with this woman.
43:49
I think she maybe cheated on her.
43:52
All right guys.
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I'm a little nervous because we just got to the hypnotherapist
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office and glory thinks that I'm getting hypnotized.
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But in reality, the twist is she's gonna get hypnotized to
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get over her fear of flying.
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And like, honestly, this might go either way because she might
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be totally against it because she's so scared of it or her life
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might change starting today.
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So let's see what she says.
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Let's go Gloria, what Ivana, what's up?
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You say hi to do some ation.
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Ok.
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Well, listen, the cameras are here because this is how, why
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is anybody from work here?
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It's not me that's getting hypnotized.
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You're getting hypnotized today.
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How did you manage to, because listen, you have a big, big fear
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Obviously, I don't even wanna say the word.
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I don't wanna say the, I'm not gonna say because I wanna have
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a friend after today and, and I want you to be better and get
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better and be able to be bi coastal and don't have to worry about
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anything.
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She's so scared because I love you.
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I'm gonna do this, but I just want you to know this is pushing
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me completely out of my comfort zone.
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Are you down to be there today?
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I am.
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I promise, I promise I'm gonna have a positive attitude.
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She's really scared like I can't even mention a plane without
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us getting into a fight.
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And I had no idea like the depth of her scared.
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I'm about to go into the brown chair and my brain is one of my
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most valuable possessions.
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It's worth billions of dollars.
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So I'm about to hand it over to you for you to help me navigate
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My mind is worth millions of dollars.
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It's true.
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What we're going to do today is that we are going to put you in
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such a deeply relaxed state that your brain's wavelengths
45:35
drop, your mind opens up and that creates this window of opportunity
45:39
where your mind can really absorb positive suggestions and
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all of the suggestions I'm gonna give you are totally positive
45:46
so you can just relax and go with it in order for this to work
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Loreli just want it to work.
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Ok.
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Ok.
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You don't have to believe in it, just want it to work and go with
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it.
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I am helping you navigate your mind, but it's always you who
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is in control.
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OK, Gloria, I'm committed.
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I'm open minded.
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I'm about to watch glory get hypnotized and deep sleep which
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and every single time I say the word so deep sleep or deeper
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allow yourself to go to this depth or even deeper from this
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moment on, allow yourself to just really let go.
46:29
Loreli imagine and visualize in your mind's eye that the most
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soothing and relaxing color is at the tips of your toes.
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And this beautiful color has the ability to make you feel the
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way you like to feel.
46:45
She's either really into it or inside.
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She's like try not to laugh three to one zero.
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Deep sleep.
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It's so peaceful.
47:09
You feel so safe and you're so ridiculously happy.
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You're gonna grow to be a little old lady who has so many loved
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ones who live such a great life.
47:25
You are gonna live this long life and you always remember that
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G Lois, you are in God's hands, you are safe, safe on land, safe
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up in the sky.
47:41
And your mind understands that airplanes were made to fly
47:45
She said it took a brain massage and that's exactly what it
47:49
feels like her voice and like the energy from even over the
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phone over here watching, I'm like, you're so relaxed and
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now in just a moment I'm gonna count from 0 to 5.
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And when I get to five, you're gonna open your eyes and you're
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gonna come back to full room awareness and you're gonna come
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back with all the positive suggestions that I've given you
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that they are all true.
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The zero 12 you feel so empowered 34.
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It's safe to be you Glore and five.
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What?
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Awake and feeling great and good job girl.
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Yay mama.
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You did it.
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You did it.
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Yes.
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What was that like?
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It was really, I mean it felt like I was in a meditative state
48:46
Your voice is so soothing.
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It feels so good.
48:50
It was just so nice to have I guess I, I guess like when I get on
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a plane, I'm like, oh my God, this is the end but it was so nice
48:56
for you to give me a picture of like girl, there's so much more
49:00
like this is not even this has, this is so small compared to
49:04
how much bigger your life is.
49:06
It was nice.
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I've never pictured myself as an old lady.
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I feel good.
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I feel relaxed.
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I feel great.
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Yay, I'm so happy that I got to work with you sis.
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I appreciate that.
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Hey, Ivanna, what did I look like?
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You were like so relaxed?
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Like literally you were you really went under?
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I mean, that's what I felt.
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I'm not sure.
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I mean, I know.
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How do you feel?
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I felt like I was just focused on like a lot of like just thinking
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like just being calm.
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It was so cool to watch you.
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Like her voice.
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I fell asleep like twice.
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So I was having a life.
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I don't know what happened.
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I was at the beach, I was drinking drinks.
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I was having the time of my life.
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Well, Ivana, you know, I love what I love about my job is that
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I get to actually live my.
49:50
So it's like part like I have to like, you know, I just feel like
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we we've crossed, we bumped heads not in a bad way but like you
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were just being like yourself and you didn't.
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No, no.
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Wait, hold on.
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Look, I promise this ends.
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Well, no, you said something that I didn't realize was affecting
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me like I was sharing a thing and for you, like you said like
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in the waiting room, it's like girl, it's another flight but
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I was like, no, this is not another flight.
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I'm scared.
50:14
And the jour I love that the journey even though like you accidentally
50:17
triggered it now you're like actually part of the journey
50:20
of healing.
50:21
I know who would have thought I would, I just feel proud of myself
50:27
for actually taking steps to find solutions.
50:30
I know a lot of the time we have like these fears and these things
50:32
and it's like I don't wanna live it like that anymore.
50:35
Like I wanna live in peace.
50:37
So I'm excited to have my girls this season with me and to really
50:41
grow more than we could ever imagine.
50:44
So this has been another episode of girl.
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Let me tell you.
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Thank you for being part of this journey with us.