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No Sabo KIds, Fetishism and Hispanic vs. Latino

Girl, Let Me Tell You
The girls talk about No Sabo kids, dating outside their culture and what it means to be Latina while tackling colorism, fetishism and first generation guilt.
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They had never seen a Latina that wasn't like a, like a worker
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in their house and they're like, oh they call me the hot tamale
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They call you a hot tamale.
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I'm not even, I never even had tamale at that time because I
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was like, I'm like, I've never had a tamale.
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They were like, 00 the hot Tamales.
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I was like, what?
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So that is really problematic.
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That's what it was like growing up here in my life.
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So it was just like, it doesn't bug me.
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I like it.
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I think it like, you don't understand how much we're doing
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right now because I don't think I've ever seen something even
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like doing this project.
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I was like, oh, I, I'm not going to get it.
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I'm not Latina enough.
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You guys want me because I just never seen this kind of mix ever
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So what is it like being Dominican in L A to you?
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Honestly, I didn't want to go there.
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But I know it was like, I'm studying abroad.
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What's up?
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Everybody?
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We're back for another episode of girl.
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Let me tell you I'm here with my girls.
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What's up, Jessica?
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What's going on.
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My name is Yvonne Rojas and we're here.
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We're talking about everything today.
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You know, we know we go, the conversation can go left or right
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or in the middle or up and down and up or down.
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It goes, it's a compass, it's a compass.
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And I want to know compact.
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I can't even say so many words in English.
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I wanna know what y'all think about the blue check situation
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Would you, are you, do you guys got blue checks?
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But I feel like it's over K followers.
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Yes.
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But and I was thinking I was gonna get it this year.
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That was one of my goals.
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But now with the whole payment thing, I'm like, I don't even
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know why did you apply?
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I did apply a couple of times.
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Yeah, I didn't get it in really large bold fonts.
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I as I did but you have a blue check.
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Yes, I bought my blue check.
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You bought it.
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It was just, you know, I just think people believe that I should
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have one anyway.
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So people don't really, they're not really catching up on
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it.
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How much did you pay for it?
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If it's 1499 I'm gonna tell you why I need a customer service
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and validation.
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Ok.
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So, ok, so apparently Instagram made like 600 well, so far
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$660 million 660 million dollars for a blue I think that that
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that is wrong.
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I hate when, when the community like Instagram comes together
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with this fake sta and then just every everybody and everyone
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that like where did you get this information?
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Right?
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Everybody wanted.
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So look how much like it was like a quote that was going around
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I was like, I personally like it better when it comes natural
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with and I was going to wait, how are you gonna distinguish
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the real from the non real?
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And that baby in is fake, not all of it.
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There's some real people there.
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OK?
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Somebody who's real on the internet, you've never lied on
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the internet.
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You never filter something.
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Filter zoom in because it literally hurts.
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Ok?
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I will say girls like, OK, honestly you glory.
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It makes sense that that's what I was saying.
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We have a brand or business, it makes sense.
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But if you're kind of and I hate to say it but you just use your
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Instagram to like maybe post family pictures or something
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like that figure.
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It makes sense.
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It makes sense.
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But like what are you doing?
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What is your purpose of a blue check if you have no reason to
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blue check.
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But there were some people that you know when we look at your
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stories, you see a blue check.
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I'm like, why the fuck does this person have a blue check?
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So I I understood that.
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But when I comment, I was like, it looks like it when you have
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you should have been, that had a blue check a long time ago.
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Thank you.
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So, I am Zuckerberg and Jessica.
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More importantly, you should have a blue check.
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You can buy one.
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No, that looks bad.
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I'm a comedian.
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This is, you know, you earned it.
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You should 10 years.
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I've been working hard.
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I, I have friends that work at, you know, meta and they're really
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good friends.
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One I had classes with, you can't be that good of a friend.
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But no, they, they are good friends, but I've never wanted
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to reach out because I don't like bugging people and I'm like
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it's gonna come and I'll just supply on my own.
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But mate closed mouth don't get fed.
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I'm freelance.
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So I go by a gig to gig basis just like you're an actress.
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So if that month is slow, that month is slow or that month, I'm
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like left and right business.
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It comes at you like, it's crazy.
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How do you pick and choose which one, which opportunity you
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want to go for?
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I think if it makes sense, the money's right.
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I like the people I'm working with because again, when you've
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been in this for 10 years for however long we've been in, you're
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going to be more picky with your energy, your time, your resources
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your talent, if they know your worth ABC and D, everything
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just kind of has to align and that's how I kind of maneuver that
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situation our parents don't know what we're doing because
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we're paving that way.
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My career, my parents would have no.
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Do they understand that?
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I'm carving my own name like she was doing this comedy thing
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and my mom, they support you.
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My mom is so I'm all over the Dominican Republic whatsapp channels
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every single day.
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I mean, if my parents was a doctor, I can imagine they probably
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would not want me to do it.
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Like my parents are not doctors.
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Doctors seem really mean.
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My mom was a stay at home and my dad works in the tire business
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But when I first started in the industry, I remember my dad
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got so mad that I was working at, like, doing radio in college
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that he took my car from me and I had to Uber too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, he was like, I don't want you, I don't want you getting
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into that business or whatever it might be anyway.
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He took my car and he was just like, didn't, I don't know, I don't
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know what it was but it just, he didn't like that.
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I was there and I had to like Uber to and from the radio station
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and I was getting paid less at the radio station than I was spending
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on Ubers.
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So I remember there was one time, one of my coworkers, I was
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like, I don't even know how I'm gonna get home.
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Sometimes I'd even sleep at the radio station because, yeah
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it was just a mess.
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So, at the beginning, why would they do that?
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I don't, I don't really know.
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I think they just wanted me to go down a more traditional, like
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you're gonna get paid.
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This is the route, you know.
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And also it's scary.
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Entertainment's scary.
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Even if my kid got into entertainment, I'd be like, ok, my kid's
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going to be a nepotism kid 100%.
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I think my mom is really proud because I'm doing something
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that hasn't been done.
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There are not that many Dominican stand up comedians.
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So she is really proud of me.
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And then she also has a lot of attention whenever she comes
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to the show.
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So I think she thinks this is her career and she's having a really
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fun time.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Do you ever feel like guilty for living this life?
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Like you're bi coastal, you're going to all the games, you're
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leaving your parents?
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Like working every day.
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My dad works, wakes up every day at seven in the morning, is
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working all day doing being a doctor, coming back home, go
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eats dinner, go to sleep, do the same thing again for seven
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days straight, for, for five days straight and sleeps on the
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weekends and we're like traveling, having fun and this is
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a blast working like, do you feel guilty at all or do you feel
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like, ok, I deserve this or, or what?
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I don't know if I I feel like I'm thankful I think is what it is
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II I can't sit here and say that I feel guilty because my dad
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did all that for me to be able to have a better life than he had
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So I'm just more so like, thank you.
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And I'm gonna take advantage of this and I'm gonna do whatever
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I can in my, you know, whatever I can do for my kids to make sure
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that it's even easier and smoother for them.
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I think as an for me, like if I get to go where I'm going, I could
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bring all of us together, just give me a second and let me get
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into this so I can pay for all the birthday parties.
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You don't understand.
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I lived with my parents till September of last year in my same
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room.
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We have different house that I grew up with.
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33 years old.
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I'm and I'm like dad and the whole he supported all my acting
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you know, he, he paid for all my education and acting stuff
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and I would come to his room and be like, I felt like I was 13 like
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dad, um there's this workshop that I really wanna take you
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to anyway.
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It's just $600 and he's like me is just $600 and I'm like dad
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it's an investment dad.
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I swear to God one day it'll be worth it.
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I swear.
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And like he, he never has said no about education.
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That's one thing he always was like, if it's about education
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I got you because that's for your future.
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So like till literally five months ago and then I booked my
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first big gig in this January, but we were just laughing about
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it because when I get like an award, I'm gonna be like, thanks
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my mom and dad for let me on the couch till last year.
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Did you guys have your award speeches ready?
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Because I think about it when I was young, I definitely think
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about what I'm gonna say.
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I'm gonna definitely think Kobe Bryant at the end, Kobe, Kobe
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to dedicate my my more to Kobe because he's the one who taught
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me mama mentality to never give up to try to be the best to keep
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going.
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Like I feel very strongly about Kobe and I'm going to dedicate
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the first trophy to him.
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Oh, that's really sweet.
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I'm gonna dedicate the first one to my mom.
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She's literally deserved.
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Like, even before I was in entertainment, she's always supported
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like, I'm a Gemini.
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So I have a new hobby every day and she supported every single
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thing when I wanted to study abroad when I wanted to and she
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just always supported everything.
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It's like whatever makes you happy.
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But now I think she's trying to see where the results are because
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you're 33 they're coming.
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That's what you subscribe to this podcast.
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How's your guys in Spanish because I feel like that's another
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topic because I know there's like this whole thing about being
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a no Salvo kid or whatever, speak Spanish.
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But like, especially in my family, I hate speaking around
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them because they're always gonna judging me like you're
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saying that word wrong.
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Well, bitch, I won't talk at all 23 years ago.
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I'm like, I'm in the dining room studying and my sisters are
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working.
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She's a producer, the other ones, a landscape architect and
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they look at me and I'm studying for an audition.
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That's like I have to pretend to be like a frog or something
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stupid.
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Wait, pretend to be a frog.
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I was like, I'm doing things to get to where you go and she's
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just like, you don't do anything Ivana, you don't do anything
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And I'm sitting there and I swear to God, I have like tears in
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my eyes because I'm like, I'm trying to be someone like, yeah
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just because like we were like in a fight and they're working
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their butts off every single day and I'm like sitting there
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studying to do an audition for a commercial and they're like
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do something and I'm like, just wait, please.
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I'm studying for audition and meet this.
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This is my work.
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My dad is my hero and although he didn't see the vision at first
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Yeah, at you know, at first he didn't see the vision because
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he's like scared.
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He's like why is my daughter doing that?
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And I think he was trying to protect me but now, oh my God, he's
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like, I'm so proud of you.
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He's gonna turn into every, every single episode like he's
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supported on whatsapp like three guys is that they live through
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us.
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They li like we are, they're happy.
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I sat down two days ago with them.
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They're like, you are happy like you every little story you
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say to us and you come home matters to us.
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I can literally play a five second video of me being like and
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my mom and dad like, yeah, like like literally my God.
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It's because it's like they're living, they didn't get to
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follow their passions like my, my dad's artistic but he and
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my mom, my mom is a singer to answer.
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So they never got to do it because they had to build a life.
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And so when they see us, I think they're like, go do it, let's
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do it.
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We got it, we got you back.
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You know what else is important to me?
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Um Is also providing like someone for my niece to look up to
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So like I have a, I don't know, you guys aren't no, my my brothers
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they're too young, they're too young.
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I mean, she's like 20 my niece is like eight.
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So she's starting to really get a grasp like the world like
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sometimes I'll pick her up before I go to a show.
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She's like, why are you dressed up so fancy?
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I'm like, oh, I'm doing comedy or, like, I'm going to an event
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so I think it's also important.
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I didn't really have someone.
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Well, I guess my mom and my parents were people I look up to like
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they were doing stuff.
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But I just want to be a good role model for my nieces.
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Do you?
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Yeah.
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I think this would be a good thing.
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I want to be a role model to all the women, all the young girls
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and guys.
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And that's important because again, like growing up and I
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think I had mentioned this in another episode, but I didn't
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have any of those role models.
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I was raised in a very, you know, area that it wasn't very diverse
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I'll tell you that much.
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I felt very like alone, super alone, super depressed.
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I, I honestly can say some of my most depressed, saddest angriest
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moments was as a little girl.
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Did you talk to your mom about the uh my mom knows that like I
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did not have a good time at all in elementary middle school
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I didn't really relate to anybody, nobody related to me or
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anything like that.
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So growing up being Mexican Colombian American was so hard
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for me and I know you said you always owned it and you loved it
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I was always so shamed and put down for that.
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Like when I was growing up So it was so hard for me to be proud
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or own it.
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I would try to suppress it at school.
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I'd code switch, go home and then love like my culture and be
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with my mom and then like, go to school and it would just be like
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a whole different identity.
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That's when I was younger.
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It wasn't until high school that I was like, what in the heck
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There are people like me and this is something to celebrate
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and I couldn't be prouder now.
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But when you're younger and you don't have social media, you
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don't have anything else to relate to.
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It is depressing.
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So anybody that had that experience growing up, I totally
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feel you because so how do you identify now when you like, you
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meet somebody, you like, I'm, I'm Mexican, I'm Mexican Colombian
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American.
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Like all of it.
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I'm like a Chicana through and through like, you know, Chicana
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what is that?
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I know the word Chingona.
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And even, even though I'm Latina, I don't really understand
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I had worked on a project, I wrote a card game for Latinas.
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And it was really interesting because I was like, I felt like
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some of my references, there were some things that I don't
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understand.
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I don't know what any of that is.
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Yeah, Chicana is like, you're Mexican American, you're not
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too much of a one thing you're born and raised here, but you
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have those Mexican roots that you're proud of.
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So you pull from both cultures, it, you're not one of them that
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she goes, we're too this for that and that for this.
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You never Selena, the Chicano.
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You know what's ironic about that is I'm Colombian but my mom
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and dad are both Colombian and I have had to only play Chicano
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roles.
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Like, I've never played a role where I, and like, and I don't
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even know if it's even close that there's a possibility for
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me to play like a Colombian American girl.
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Like I don't, I've never even heard a story of that.
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Yeah, like lately or anything like that, everything, but
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I'm proud of playing a Latina, at least on screen, Chicana
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I just know nothing about the culture.
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Like I'm not Mexican, I don't have a clue.
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I know you think gonna be upset about that.
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What do you think people would be upset about that?
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What are you gonna do?
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It's acting.
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I mean, it's acting.
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Yeah, I was born and raised in LA.
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I know about Mexican culture but like, I'm not a Chicana at
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all.
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So it is purely acting.
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But I'm waiting for a moment where I can be myself like a Colombian
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American because there's so many things about us that are
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you know, worthy of listening to too.
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to think if I thought if I ever seen a role of someone
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playing that, I mean, Sophia Ver, that's what, that's what
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I was thinking like from the streets of Colombia, I, I think
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I heard that the Sofia Vergara modern family, they actually
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made that character extra around her like they made it her
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But that's it.
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That's only Colombian represented like that, that successful
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And then Shakira and the Juanez Shakira, Shakira has had a
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very long career.
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Shakira's baby.
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She's so OK.
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Wait, do you, how's your guys in Spanish?
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Because I feel like that's another topic because I know there's
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like this whole thing about being a no sul kid or whatever.
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Look, I'm just going to say it right now.
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My span is not all the way there 100%.
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And what people don't talk about just when I have to interview
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somebody.
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I know it's practice.
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Espanol is me.
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I know you practice it, practice like I literally was just
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like that right before the pandemic and then I went to Mexico
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and now it's just confidence of experience.
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It is confident enough, confidence speak, it's Spanish but
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like especially in my family, I hate speaking around them
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because they're always gonna judging me like you're saying
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that word wrong.
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Well, bitch, I won't talk at all.
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It just makes when I talk annoyed when I'm like, and I love my
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grandma.
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But the other day when she was visiting and I was trying to like
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you know, explain to her like we were, I was trying to explain
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to her, me and my grandma had the same kind of hair texture.
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So I was buying her edge control, but I don't know how to say
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that in Spanish.
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I was like, oh, it's a comp edge control.
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My mom, what is, how do you say edge control Spanish?
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And it's just, I don't like, I'm also, you know, problematic
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the problematic friend.
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I don't like being corrective.
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So that's why I don't like speaking Spanish for my family.
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But my Spanish is, I actually fun fact I didn't speak English
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in elementary school and now my Spanish is really bad.
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So it's like the opposite.
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How do you think it's important for kids or not to know Spanish
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and English now?
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Yes, it, it helps in your life for sure.
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I can't tell you how many opportunities in hosting them.
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I didn't get big ones because I wasn't too a t fluent.
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And I, and that's why I went to Mexico because I was with Fox
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Sports.
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And they were like, we want you to be on a show but fluent in Spanish
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And I was like, I gotta go in the description.
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I'm like, well for any opportunity, I'll figure it out.
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I would have just done.
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I would have it, but it's hard.
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That's what you think until they put you in a room with an artist
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that can only speak Spanish and you're like, I'm screwed.
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You want your kids to speak Spanish?
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I want them to.
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How are you gonna do that?
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If you marry an American.
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Oh, now you gonna bring back I can talk to.
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I will do my best to talk maybe.
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And it's not gonna be proper, perfect Spanish, but I'm gonna
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do my best to teach them Spanish.
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Bring my kids around my mom.
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I'm not gonna not date someone because they don't speak Spanish
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or like my kid is not in Spanish.
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You know, I love how you look at me though American because
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we all know that she loves her cowboys for me.
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Right now.
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I think it's important for the kids.
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I think that's how we connect to our culture, like food and
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language.
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That's how we just, I feel very assimilated into the American
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culture.
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And I'm very aware of that when go visit back in the Dominican
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Republic.
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But I think it's important for us to speak Spanish and to cook
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because when I say cook whatever expertise because that's
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how you stay connected.
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Like, I'm learning a lot about my grandma through recipes
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I'm like, oh, now I understand why she wanted me to take the
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chicken out.
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I don't have enough time for this.
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So I'm right.
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I'm like, I understand now, but I'm like, I think that's how
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you stay connected to your culture and spending time with
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your cousins.
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And I feel like it's funny when I speak Spanish, I feel like
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a different person, like a different personality.
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It's a different, like I'm like, I have, I have a different
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confidence, a different person that it's cool to like dive
17:32
you know what I mean?
17:32
When you speak Spanish, it's cool.
17:35
Maybe because we're like our moms, we're like our moms.
17:39
I have an attitude when I'm speaking Spanish.
17:41
Do you feel like it's easier for you to even like dating?
17:43
Like mixed dating?
17:45
Right?
17:45
Since we were kind of talking about that.
17:46
Is it hard for you guys to date somebody outside of your culture
17:50
Since we're so close to like ours, right?
17:53
It does, it does help, right?
17:55
If they can come and speak to your parents and you don't have
17:58
to explain certain things like, OK, me being Mexican American
18:01
like you go to one of our family parties, there's banda, right
18:04
There's people dancing all crazy around like a hat and like
18:07
taking chugs out of a bottle.
18:08
It's a whole funny because my sister fiance is Australian
18:13
like straight from the Australian.
18:14
Like, so when he comes to the house, it's like all Colombians
18:17
and it's like a like a like it's just like a rock in the middle
18:20
of the room.
18:21
But and we have to kind of like we have to kind of like go around
18:24
and we're like, oh, hey, and it just, it just kind of ruins the
18:27
vi No, no, I live years ago.
18:28
Hey, I'm seeing you tonight.
18:30
I'm seeing you tonight.
18:31
I love you.
18:32
It's not even like that.
18:33
He's my brother, but like it definitely makes a difference
18:35
to have like a whole different race and nationality in your
18:39
in your um Have you ever had to explain that?
18:41
Like, for example, I mean, but you know, what's the crazy part
18:44
Can you edit that?
18:44
I'm sorry, I edit that out.
18:47
Even me as a Latina.
18:49
Like I've never been in that experience where I've seen like
18:51
a banda.
18:52
Like I just don't because I also think that it's just like regionality
18:56
We're so different too.
18:57
Like your banda, I'm Colombian.
18:58
You're Dominican baby shower.
18:59
I do baby shower.
18:59
You do baby shower, baby showers.
19:02
I'm not gonna lie before.
19:04
I was like, I could never see myself not dating a Latino.
19:06
Never, never, never.
19:07
Now I'm like, I don't know, my taste is kind of changing.
19:11
I'm a little bit more open now.
19:12
Actually, I'm a lot more open to dating Latino men to dating
19:16
outside of.
19:19
But you know, I think it also stems from the fact that I lived
19:21
in New York.
19:22
All of these things.
19:23
I know you had a very, very polarizing experience growing
19:27
up.
19:28
But my high school, middle school was so mixed that we didn't
19:31
really pay attention to national.
19:33
And that, that's the thing.
19:35
Like I was the only Latina in my grade until 18.
19:38
So you're coming from a Latino like, so what is it like being
19:41
Dominican in L A to you?
19:43
Honestly, I didn't want to go there, but I know it was like,
19:45
I'm studying abroad.
19:47
I was like today I said, oh, I to the Uber driver.
19:51
He's like, yes, yes, I speak Spanish.
19:54
Like, I, I don't know, like a lot of people, I did a show here
19:58
A lot of people don't know what Dominican is in L A.
20:01
Like I did a show and they were just like, what is this?
20:03
Can I be honest?
20:04
I, I didn't know about you when I had a friend, you said you didn't
20:09
know about the like, no, like three years ago, I met my first
20:12
friend in acting class.
20:13
Shout out to Francesca.
20:15
She sounds like I know her.
20:16
She's the best and I didn't know that like that country.
20:19
I mean, I knew about the country but I didn't really know because
20:21
I don't have any friends like that to go there.
20:23
So I wanna know about Dominican culture.
20:26
Everyone's so like in a bubble.
20:28
And I'm just so surprised like I don't like even knowing that
20:31
Chingona culture, she cannot exist.
20:33
I'm like, I, I know that it's out there because I'm also following
20:35
all these social media accounts that really prioritize like
20:37
Mexican Latinidad.
20:39
So I was like, I know about it, but I, I was really surprised
20:42
that a lot of people didn't know about Dominican or like Caribbean
20:44
Latinidad.
20:45
And like, there's so I, and I sometimes I wonder like, are I'm
20:48
gonna say something?
20:49
Don't cancel me?
20:50
Are we the same type of Latino because it's like you, there's
20:53
like, so there are also different cultures within our Latinidad
20:55
and we do share the Spanish.
20:57
But when I come over here, I was like so different.
20:59
I don't really, it's not in danger.
21:01
You guys are Caribbean.
21:02
We, I mean we have beaches but it's not, I've never been like
21:06
my grandma for her birthday will always get a, what's a band
21:09
that everybody comes?
21:10
The people?
21:12
Please help me.
21:15
Yes, we'll have that.
21:16
She was like, bitch, but that's like, I don't know, I think
21:21
it's really like my brain hurts.
21:23
I'm like, I got to do a whole teaching assignment here.
21:26
And I'm going to be honest, I did a comedy show.
21:27
I felt really uncomfortable.
21:29
I was like, I don't know if I, if I'm relating like and do you
21:33
feel like it's harder to break into the industry being Dominican
21:36
I think people are starting to really understand that Dominican
21:38
exists like we are, you know, a culture, we have a lot of people
21:41
that are representing for us right now.
21:43
I'm from New York.
21:44
So I think people, I think that those two things together,
21:48
we're creating a lane and it's just a thing that people are
21:51
starting to understand exists.
21:53
But I do have a hard time when it comes to Latino comedy.
21:56
Like all the Latino comedy specials are all Mexican, everything's
22:00
Mexican and I'm just like, so there are other people there
22:03
and now, but I'm also on the brink of now people are starting
22:06
to see other people like Ida Rodriguez exists or Ian Lara,
22:09
there's Darlene and Sasha Mercy.
22:12
Now people are starting to say like, oh there are so many other
22:14
Dominicans that are coming up.
22:15
But before I was in comedy, I just didn't see that.
22:18
I was like, I think everything is just no shade, everything
22:21
is Mexican.
22:21
I think the industry is so serious.
22:23
Typical and they have like just three slots and they don't
22:26
realize like the vastness and diversity of us Latinos.
22:29
Like we have redheads, blue eyes, green eyes, we have everything
22:33
you can imagine in, in the world that they don't, they can't
22:36
encompass us in one.
22:38
Latino Latino.
22:39
That's not possible.
22:40
Do you guys ever feel like you have to play to being the ambiguous
22:44
Latina?
22:46
Yeah, with my accent, like in Spanish and Spanish, I can't
22:49
be my true Colombian.
22:50
I remember one time they were hiring for a gig and they're like
22:53
your Spanish needs to be neutral.
22:54
And what does that mean?
22:56
Probably more like in Colombia esque, it's like very different
23:06
you know, it's almost like Mexican in a way.
23:08
It's very watered down Spanish.
23:10
Like, like, yeah, you can't Mexican.
23:12
Yeah, they just want it neutral.
23:14
That's because there's not enough diversity in the big, like
23:17
in, in the, in the top.
23:18
So they, they don't know how to like categorize it and how to
23:21
work is changing.
23:23
I I do see that the industry is changing.
23:26
Um, I just be feeling uncomfortable.
23:28
I'm like, oh my God, I, it's just so uncomfortable.
23:31
Have you ever, have you ever dated a guy that wasn't Latino
23:34
Yeah, I've dated so many, so many different people, I think
23:39
in New York we are just so much of a potluck that we all kind of
23:43
like, it's not like a thing.
23:45
It's like, oh, this person's whatever.
23:46
It's like, oh I fucked with him.
23:48
That's it.
23:50
But I, I've never, I don't think I've ever dated a Mexican man
23:53
Did I, I don't know.
23:54
I have a long life growing up.
23:56
I was literally, I say this again but I was the only Latina in
23:58
my whole, my first boyfriend would like very American when
24:02
I was 16.
24:02
Like very Ame I'm talking like from the top to the bottom.
24:06
We like blue eye was a, see, that's, it was a, I don't really
24:09
know, but I know that they call, they call the white like a that's
24:13
not describing the definition like like a widow.
24:16
What is a, just like a white boy is the definition of a widow
24:20
white, a white boy, white boy.
24:22
OK.
24:25
That's what I'm saying.
24:27
And I swear, I'm not joking when I went to visit the family.
24:30
When I was 17, they had never seen a Latina that wasn't like
24:33
a, like a worker in their house.
24:35
And they're like, oh they call me the hot Tamale.
24:38
They call you a Hot tale.
24:39
I'm not even, I never even had Tamale at that time because I
24:42
was like, I'm like, I've never had a Tamale.
24:44
They were like, 00, the hot tamales.
24:47
I was like, what?
24:48
So that is really problematic.
24:50
That's what it was like growing up here in my life.
24:53
So it was just in my life.
24:55
Me, I just like me.
24:57
I think it's like, I don't understand how much we're doing
25:01
right now because I don't think I've ever seen something even
25:03
like doing this project.
25:04
I was like, oh, I, I'm not gonna get it.
25:05
I'm not Latina enough.
25:06
Like you guys want me, like, because I just never seen this
25:09
kind of mix ever.
25:10
Like, it's either it's very polarizing.
25:12
Like if you turn on Univision, whatever is it to light passing
25:16
Latinas or it's like, I've never seen something like that
25:19
We're from different.
25:20
Like there's so much I'm learning from you ladies.
25:22
I'm like, I feel like I'm, I'm even embarrassed like that.
25:25
I don't understand some of the things that you're like that
25:27
you've done.
25:28
I'm like, wow, like I need to learn more.
25:29
Yeah.
25:29
But also in the same way, like us being from L A and with our experience
25:33
like we were like, what, I don't know, all girls school, I
25:37
mean, what did you do?
25:37
I went to, I went to, I went to University of Miami when I went
25:41
over there and I was like, that's what I'm saying.
25:42
They have no Dominicans in Miami either, but they had a lot
25:44
of Colombia and, well, and I saw like, all these successful
25:47
people driving nice car and I was like, wait, those are all
25:49
Latinos.
25:49
It was like, world got reversed.
25:51
So that's a thing.
25:52
The first time I feel like there are a lot of white passing Latinos
25:55
and they get to kind of move to the world.
25:57
Like you don't really know, like sometimes I'll be at a party
25:59
in Brooklyn.
25:59
I'm like, oh I'm the only person of color here and then this
26:02
bitch starts speaking Spanish like why you didn't say nothing
26:04
I was uncomfortable the whole time and could have been right
26:08
That's the thing.
26:08
You don't look, you could be not Spanish and they were not Latino
26:13
Can you, have you guys ever hidden?
26:14
Being Latina hated just when I was in elementary school?
26:18
I didn't, I don't hide it.
26:19
I just didn't, you didn't switch.
26:22
I mean you try to be like, I'm not Latina.
26:24
I never said I wasn't Latina.
26:25
Everybody knew I was Latina.
26:26
Everybody look at my mom and hear her speak and be like, OK,
26:28
she's Latina but I just wouldn't, you know, I don't think I
26:32
can hide it but I have been not believed they like, oh you're
26:35
Latina.
26:36
Yes.
26:37
It's been the opposite for me where people are like they don't
26:39
know that I'm Dominican even other Dominicans like, are you
26:41
Dominican?
26:41
Yes.
26:42
So I've had that opposite experience switching means keeping
26:48
your job at wherever you work at.
26:51
But I've had to code switch.
26:53
But I never, I have this weird, like New York thing where you
26:56
can tell that um I'm gonna fight.
26:58
You don't have code switching is like, OK, for instance, you're
27:02
with your family and you're speaking what type of way and you
27:04
have, you embody who you are and then you get into like maybe
27:06
a corporate or professional environment and then you have
27:09
to kind of assimilate and act a certain type of way.
27:13
It's like you're not your true self because you know that maybe
27:16
when it like culturally it's different or whatever it might
27:18
be.
27:19
I feel like if you're anything mixed with anything Asian American
27:22
what are, you know, people have to code switch.
27:25
Do you guys have ever put on your accent even more?
27:28
Do you ever feel like you need to extra Latina era?
27:30
No, no, I'm not going to do that even right now sometimes like
27:33
am I coming off too casual?
27:34
Like am I being Latina enough?
27:36
This is a representation of a New York Latina from very Latina
27:40
you know, and that's who I'm going to be.
27:43
I'm not going to spice it sometimes, you know, you do projects
27:45
like, oh please put more.
27:47
I'm like, no, when I wrote that card game, I was a little uncomfortable
27:49
when we did the photo shoot because they put like a flower.
27:52
I don't know if you guys are planning a flower photo shoot,
27:54
don't do that.
27:55
Um But they put all this extra stuff.
27:57
I'm like, this is not what I do day to day.
27:59
Like, I don't know, it was just weird.
28:01
Like people have their perception of what it is to be Latina
28:03
and they put it on you and it's just weird and if it doesn't fit
28:06
their box, they have an issue with it conversation and you
28:10
guys were talking a little bit about dating American men.
28:12
What have you guys faced fetishism?
28:14
You know that?
28:14
Oh my God.
28:15
I can't believe I'm dating a Latina girl or she's so spicy.
28:20
OK?
28:21
I know when I say I'm Colombian, I get a lot of oh, every time
28:26
I'm in an Uber, they're like, are you Dominican?
28:29
Yes.
28:30
It makes me feel.
28:31
So what am I going to do for you?
28:33
What does that change for you?
28:34
I'm not going to lie when they say 00 you're Latina.
28:37
I like it.
28:38
It doesn't bother me if anything.
28:40
I'm like, yeah, I love that.
28:41
You love it and I love that.
28:42
You appreciate it.
28:43
But I don't like what they say mostly is like, oh you're so spicy
28:51
Fireball.
28:52
These are the words fireball and spicy but it's never like
28:55
a negative thing.
28:55
It's almost like they love it.
28:57
They love, they need to spice, it's spicy.
28:59
It's just we have we have fun.
29:02
Like we have like, for me, one of the biggest problems I've
29:05
had in my life is being called the flirt in my growing up.
29:08
But it's not, I'm like, I'm like in Colombia, I'm not a floor
29:11
in Colombia.
29:11
I'm like a saint because we, we talk to everyone, we have manners
29:19
we talk to the janitor, we talk to the president, we talk to
29:22
the, all the same.
29:24
Like we, that's the way that we are.
29:27
We're friendly and, and, and it gets misconstrued here in
29:30
the that we're like, we're flourished or whatever because
29:32
they don't understand that people are like the cultural thing
29:34
It's a cultural thing.
29:35
I have a weird fetish and I sorry is I like the like a cupid's
29:39
bow.
29:40
It's a very Caribbean thing.
29:41
What Rihanna has?
29:43
Like, what the thing that when you look at a guy like this is
29:45
my like, you know, you have, she has a cowboy fetish, cowboy
29:47
boot.
29:48
I like, I like hands and feet.
29:51
Do you like feet?
29:52
Like I like a good pair of feet and a good pair of hands.
29:55
For me, the fetishism becomes a problem when they put in like
29:58
preferential treatment.
29:59
Like, oh I will, I am made a whole song about Latinas, which
30:02
I thought was cute, but also like I am Yeah.
30:04
Why are you just pinning women against other women?
30:08
What am I looking at?
30:09
Was he pitting them or was he a preach?
30:11
Sometimes that's the thing.
30:13
I think sometimes that problem with fetishism can be like
30:15
someone can pin again, like they could just put women against
30:18
each other.
30:19
And whenever, like I've dated men with like, like I just wanna
30:22
make sure that you're not a problematic man because I will
30:24
have, I will have to correct you.
30:26
What's a problematic man?
30:27
Like someone that is like, I want, I wanna wanna date Latinas
30:29
because I, like that's the only time.
30:31
I don't know.
30:32
It's fetishism like they just wanna date you because it means
30:34
something to them.
30:36
No.
30:37
OK.
30:37
Well, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to bring the um
30:40
have you ever been asked?
30:42
This is weird but to speak Spanish when you're having an intimate
30:47
moment.
30:48
Yes.
30:48
And that could be fit.
30:49
I can't even say the word.
30:50
What if it just turns them on and they can do that.
30:53
I can't even say a peep.
30:55
I'm like, hello?
30:56
II I can't like, hello.
30:59
I don't know.
30:59
I just want to give it back to you to call out.
31:02
I don't do that stuff but go on.
31:05
That's your man and like he's into it and it turns him on like
31:08
I would do it.
31:09
What are you like?
31:09
Papa Frita?
31:10
What do you do?
31:11
Oh my God, you, you can say anything.
31:15
You can say they be like this and they have no idea words.
31:20
So this is what I think about.
31:22
If an American guy is like, can you please speak in Spanish
31:24
You can literally say anything you like.
31:26
Let's, you know what I mean?
31:31
That's the best.
31:31
Don't worry about it.
31:32
Don't be intimidated by it.
31:33
I don't mind it if that man.
31:36
No sex in 10 months.
31:38
So I know everyone knows my business.
31:41
10 months.
31:43
How do you feel good?
31:44
Do you feel like you're harboring that energy?
31:46
I think the next time I have sex, maybe we'll say something
31:49
in Spanish.
31:50
Are you waiting for the gras?
31:53
Are you Papas?
31:54
Fritas?
31:55
I would say papas fritas.
31:57
Yeah.
32:00
So, fetishism.
32:01
I it is a form of sexual behavior in which gratification is
32:08
this is a really strong definition for a word.
32:11
I don't understand any of this, a form of sexual behavior which
32:14
in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular
32:17
object or activity.
32:19
Um But I think this is more general fetishism.
32:22
It's like, oh, I like feet fetish.
32:24
I think that they're only sexually attracted to you because
32:30
you're Latina.
32:31
So yeah.
32:32
No, I mean, I think there's a preference that Latinas, you
32:36
know, if they're fetishizing you, they people down while
32:40
they're like, oh, I don't date this type because I prefer Latinas
32:43
They're more submissive preferences are allowed.
32:45
Preferences are allowed without having to put somebody down
32:47
So you putting up somebody up on a pedestal that's nasty.
32:51
But it's like if you just like that is my preference, that's
32:53
fine without you having to put somebody down.
32:55
So it's like you saying, I don't date white boys because I like
32:59
whatever.
33:00
Is that a fetish?
33:01
I don't know.
33:02
What does it matter?
33:02
Let's move on.
33:03
Move on.
33:06
Just one thing.
33:06
Do you get what I'm saying?
33:08
I think it's easier to see when you're in a more diverse city
33:12
because I have to, like in New York people do be pinning women
33:15
again.
33:15
Like, for example, I have an ex that used to date a lot of white
33:18
women and they'll put them on a pedestal.
33:20
I don't like Latinas because they fight all the time and they
33:22
started to generalize and that's why that's a fetish where
33:27
you have to put me down at the expense of your, you want to date
33:30
white women, white women but don't put me down.
33:33
You know what I'm saying?
33:34
Or sometimes they'll have a preference for white Latinas
33:37
versus black Latinas and it's just like, that's rude.
33:39
That's mean you don't have to put somebody down what you saying
33:44
Yeah, you can have a not, you can have a preference but a fetish
33:47
is when you're being a little extreme and being kind of, you're
33:49
being maybe sometimes prejudiced in your choice.
33:51
OK?
33:52
Have you ever had a fetish?
33:54
I have a weird fetish and sorry, I like a cupid's bow.
33:59
It's a very Caribbean.
34:00
Rihanna has.
34:02
There are certain men that they have a, see, I don't want my
34:05
business.
34:06
Is that a fetish or is that just like, I love men with a specific
34:09
cupid's bow.
34:10
You know what?
34:11
It's so good because men that are out working and it gathers
34:13
all the sweat right there.
34:17
You do.
34:17
What's your fetish?
34:18
I don't have a thing.
34:21
What's the thing that when you look at a guy like this is, you
34:23
know, she has a cowboy fetish, cowboy boot.
34:26
I like, I like hands and feet.
34:29
You like feet.
34:30
I like a good pair of feet and a good pair of hands on.
34:34
Like men bring us some feet.
34:37
Make sure you guys like, I don't like you but I can when I look
34:43
at a foot, like I feel my body kind of shit.
34:44
Wait, I'm sorry, I, I feel like like when I look at it, how do
34:48
you feel looking at this?
34:50
I'm like a good foot.
34:52
I sweating a little bit because one of these feet making the
35:00
whole night.
35:04
I know it made me feel all the design.
35:08
I cannot.
35:08
That shit was really funny and I'm not into guys.
35:11
I never really looked at man's toes like that, but I like, I
35:14
like a good pair of hands.
35:15
You know what a turn off like a purple toe.
35:19
I don't mind it.
35:20
What is that?
35:22
I don't mind.
35:23
I'm gonna tell you why because they're working, they're out
35:25
there working, he stubbed his toe making money.
35:27
He's doing something.
35:29
I love guys that have blue collar jobs.
35:31
OK?
35:31
So if they're getting hurt in the process.
35:33
That's when they lose a finger working.
35:35
My dad lost three of his fingers.
35:37
Your dad doesn't have three fingers.
35:40
I'm not judging.
35:41
He's, no, I love your dad.
35:45
Ok.
35:46
No, he was working on some machinery at the, oh, my God.
35:48
I can't even like half of three of his fingers chopped off.
35:52
I'm not even kidding.
35:53
He picked up the, the remainder of his fingers drove himself
35:56
to the hospital and they tried stitching him on.
35:58
It.
35:58
Didn't take after like a couple of weeks they still stayed
36:01
black and then now he just has like three short fingers.
36:03
But, you know, my dad was working, he was putting in that work
36:06
you know, I had a lot of uncles with like no fingers.
36:09
And when I was younger I'm like, oh, but now I'm like, oh, just
36:11
from, I don't know, to me if my man comes home, sweaty, dirty
36:15
fingers, all the things.
36:17
Oh my God, I'm into it.
36:19
And now I'm never going to look at a missing finger the same
36:22
Exactly.
36:24
That's the thing about learning.
36:25
I didn't even know you could get your finger.
36:28
I sue because that's a work.
36:29
My dad did it to himself.
36:31
It was one of those a, it's inappropriate that Rosalia is in
36:35
the Latino conversation.
36:36
What?
36:37
She's Spanish.
36:38
She is, she is Spanish.
36:39
She's not Latina.
36:41
Latino Americano is what she's saying.
36:43
You're either from Latino America or you're from Spain.
36:46
So it's like a big actual controversy in the music industry
36:48
spaces.
36:49
Should Rosalia even be nominated for a lot of these Latino
36:52
awards because she is from Spain.
36:54
What does being Dominican mean to you and being Mexican mean
36:57
to you, Dominican means to me being the baddest bitch, always
37:01
being really strong in my opinions, being very opinionated
37:06
control.
37:07
I see I have some wine also controlling and just having a lot
37:10
of confidence when I walk into the room, I know that I'm, I'm
37:14
just, I'm excited to be on this planet is the best place.
37:16
No shade.
37:16
It is the best place on the planet.
37:19
The Dominican Republic, best place on the planet.
37:23
Well, that's funny because that's exactly how I feel about
37:25
Colombia.
37:26
That's what I feel.
37:26
I feel like Colombia is one of the best places on the planet
37:30
We'll see.
37:31
We'll see.
37:32
I didn't take you.
37:33
I can't take both of you guys to Mexican and get that.
37:35
If we went on a week.
37:37
One, Colombia, one Mexico, one year.
37:39
All switch opinions.
37:40
No, no, you would still think Colombia was.
37:42
You know, I was trying to be nice.
37:45
Have you ever had a, I've been to Colombia.
37:49
It was cute.
37:51
Yeah, I went to Bogota and Medellin.
37:52
I did a study abroad.
37:54
I have a whole Colombian family too.
37:56
I promise.
37:57
What do you think of the men out there?
37:58
I was in high school when I went.
38:00
So I was there.
38:01
For the Y MC A.
38:02
It was a program.
38:05
Yeah, I did beautifully grown adult though.
38:10
I'm sure Colombia is cool.
38:12
Talk to me about what's exciting about Colombia.
38:16
Ok.
38:16
The food is the paella are really good, which is a little bit
38:21
like a, it's like a barbecue of everything.
38:23
They, they call Colombia the lungs of the world because on
38:26
the equator it's on the equator and has, every season has the
38:29
Amazon, it has the coast, it has snow, it has everything you
38:33
can imagine in it.
38:33
But the best part is the people, the people are so cool and nice
38:37
and, and, and like, they have good manners and, and they're
38:41
respectful of others.
38:42
Like the majority I think are and I don't know, I just, I just
38:46
love it and that's good.
38:48
What about Dr, what's so good about, what do you do about vacation
38:54
on Dominican?
38:54
Every country has ad r do you have a great experience?
38:57
Exactly.
39:00
I did not want to be here.
39:01
No, no, no, no.
39:02
I had a great experience at Dr, the guys out there are amazing
39:06
dancers.
39:06
I love, but I did do music.
39:10
I love all of it.
39:11
But I did the one guy that I did date that was Dominican in college
39:14
like, ripped me apart.
39:16
Yeah, he was kind of machista.
39:18
But that's how all Latino men.
39:21
That's what I was feeling at the comedy show.
39:23
They were like, why do you, why are you on stage that I could
39:27
feel things when I'm on stage from the Mexican men.
39:30
When I was here doing the show, they were all like, why are you
39:32
on stage?
39:33
That's what I felt.
39:33
So, if we're all Latinos, you're Dominican, you're Mexican
39:36
I'm Colombian.
39:37
How do you individually embrace your Latin culture?
39:40
What do you do?
39:41
That makes you Latina here in L A right now.
39:44
Well, I'm staying with my friend and we're both Dominican
39:47
and every day we listen to Bachata, but I want to know we were
39:50
talking about, you were using the word Latino.
39:52
What do you think about those new words?
39:53
Like Latina, Latinx, Latina.
39:55
So it's the same thing.
39:57
I know.
39:58
I don't want to fight with the rest of the country.
39:59
I'm so sorry.
40:00
I feel like we're in a Miss Universe pageant.
40:02
Honestly, here's the thing.
40:03
Now.
40:04
Nowadays we nowadays everything is so political, everything
40:09
everything is politicized and it's so annoying.
40:11
It's either you believe it, you either like Latinx or you think
40:14
it's like dumb or you either do this.
40:15
It's like every, everybody has their opinion.
40:17
So it's so hard to say anything because you feel like you're
40:19
gonna constantly offend someone.
40:21
I have a question.
40:22
Now, you gotta Ivana, you got a role and they put something
40:25
in the script that you don't really wanna do, but it's a really
40:29
important job I would do because it's acting and it's not my
40:33
story.
40:33
It's their story I'm just hired.
40:35
But then what if people can't they be like, oh, you took this
40:37
role and you did this thing or whatever?
40:39
It has nothing to do with me as an actress or you being an actress
40:43
I wouldn't those sex scenes, I'm like, I don't know how you
40:46
guys do it.
40:48
Very tasteful and a really good director and a really good
40:50
film and a many things that can make a difference.
40:52
I'm not going to waste my time.
40:53
I think when they put a second body in there, like the double
40:57
double for my sex scenes.
40:59
But yeah, I feel like we talked about a lot.
41:01
Nationality pride.
41:03
What is that thing called?
41:04
What is it called?
41:04
What's the word for that when you're proud of your nationality
41:07
I just want to let you know, I just learned English.
41:12
OK.
41:13
So what's your guys' opinion on like, OK, if somebody's actually
41:16
you feel like mocking your culture or like appreciating it
41:19
like if people are cultural creating it.
41:21
Yeah, I think with Dominicans a little different, we are so
41:24
excited like when people want to get into like them both and
41:27
everything I will say there was a song that Rosalia put out
41:31
was a Bachata and I did not like that.
41:33
I did not like she put a song out with the weekend.
41:37
Is that appropriate that she's doing Bachata?
41:39
It's inappropriate that Rosalia is in the Latino conversation
41:42
What she's Spanish?
41:44
She is Spanish she's not Latina.
41:47
So Latino Americano is what she's saying there, you're either
41:49
from Latino America or you're from Spain.
41:52
So it's like a big actual controversy in the music industry
41:55
spaces.
41:55
Should Rosalia even be nominated for a lot of these Latino
41:58
awards because she is from Spain that is influenced by comedians
42:02
that aren't Latinos and you use.
42:04
So we're influenced by them.
42:06
So she was influenced by a Latin culture and she could use that
42:09
to influence your music.
42:10
Just you can, you can be influenced by Richard Pryor.
42:13
I think when you're taking up space, that's the thing about
42:16
appropriation versus appreciation.
42:17
Are you taking up space or like are you giving opportunities
42:20
to other people?
42:21
Like an infinite amount of space to there is not an infinite
42:24
amount of space, Ivana, not in entertainment.
42:26
What I think there.
42:27
Do you, do you guys have TV shows?
42:30
No, but not in his office.
42:32
But I think there could be, you gave me a TV show.
42:35
I think there could be actually actually, I think it's, I forget
42:37
what award show but it's happening in Spain.
42:40
But she got treated differently than Latinos here in America
42:46
That's the thing Spanish people get to be white passing.
42:48
I agree with that.
42:49
So that's what I'm saying.
42:50
You're Argenti but Argentina, that's a great example.
42:54
Yeah, all of them are so white passing.
42:56
OK.
42:56
So the Latin Grammys are leaving the US 2023 award.
43:00
It's actually going to be happening in Spain.
43:02
That was a huge controversy.
43:04
I remember seeing that on Twitter because they're like, why
43:05
are the Latin Latin coming from Latino America?
43:09
Like Latin Grammy Award is going to be actually happening
43:12
with the.
43:15
Did anybody think so?
43:16
Can we bring money out over here?
43:18
Please, please me, you guys, I have a question which is do you
43:23
guys think Spanish people are treated differently in America
43:26
than Latinos?
43:27
Yes, because some of them are white passing, they get it is
43:30
a power dynamic is also you're saying the skin color will make
43:33
a difference that absolutely the skin color.
43:35
But also classism, you get to come out here with a different
43:38
power dynamic than it is when you just what about Argentinians
43:41
who are blonde and blue eyed?
43:43
I'm saying when I say white passing is that you can have a corporate
43:46
job and no one would know that you are white unless you speak
43:49
Spanish like, oh they would have just been like whatever,
43:52
you know, but I feel like if you work hard at a job and you do really
43:56
really well at it regardless of what like you're gonna rise
43:59
to the top, I feel like, but I'm not talking about the fact that
44:01
you can't rise to the top.
44:02
I'm talking about at the, your starting point is just not equal
44:04
Are you gonna rise to the top?
44:05
Absolutely.
44:06
We are determined people, we're gonna do that, you know, What's
44:08
funny?
44:08
I think being Latina has been one of my biggest assets in the
44:12
commun like in, in getting jobs.
44:14
Like I, when I said, when I go into a place, I feel proud and I
44:17
feel like it's what sets me apart.
44:18
But I'm not saying I didn't say it was a bird.
44:21
I'm saying that some people within our own la like all of us
44:24
could be up for a job.
44:26
There's a likelihood that you ladies might get it because
44:28
you guys fit the Latina model, but people are still getting
44:32
used to it.
44:35
So a great example is getting a stand up special.
44:39
I would probably not get a Latina stand up special.
44:41
I'm going to get a mainstream one because people in the biggest
44:44
market is the Mexican market.
44:46
So because I don't fit in, in that market, even though I am Latina
44:49
it's not, I'm not going to get that job.
44:51
So you would probably get a job before me because there's a
44:54
demographic out there.
44:55
We're still scared to take the risk on the thing.
44:58
What do we do to make that a common thing to make more opportunities
45:01
Well, thank Jennifer Lopez, please.
45:04
No, I'm kidding.
45:05
No, me too.
45:06
Me too.
45:06
I think this is a great example of the network was like, let's
45:10
have varying opinions and perspectives.
45:13
There is a great example of like now we're doing it, someone's
45:15
definitely going to copy because that's what Trailblazers
45:19
do, right.
45:19
Nobody's doing this.
45:21
And I'm like, oh, I really like that dynamic of them exploring
45:23
this conversation.
45:24
It's not like, it's not a bad thing.
45:26
It doesn't exist.
45:27
And we're literally trailblazing as we're speaking about
45:29
it right now.
45:30
I mean, when you're right, you're bringing up points where
45:32
I'm like, you know what?
45:33
I never even thought about that because I think similarly
45:35
to you, my experience is when I go in for a job, they love that
45:38
I'm Latina that I'm bilingual for the most part.
45:40
Like, you know, you are bilingual.
45:41
Get a job.
45:42
Yeah.
45:42
Yeah, exactly.
45:43
Like all those things, if you want me, to be honest, I feel like
45:44
it definitely works at my advantage and I feel like sometimes
45:47
people are very quick to be like, well, you're Latino, which
45:50
means your doors are shut in front of you and you are 100% like
45:53
this victim.
45:53
And I'm like, you know what, I'm not, I don't wanna sit here
45:56
and ever live with this like I am put down, I wanna walk into
45:59
every room and be like, you know what if I don't get it and people
46:01
have biases against me, that's fine.
46:02
I'm gonna keep on pushing and I'm gonna keep on triumphing
46:05
regardless because let's be real whether you are Asian American
46:08
whether you're black American, even if you're white American
46:09
like how sometimes we even talk about white people.
46:11
Like people are getting put down and have biases against them
46:14
Everybody matter what if you're a man you're dealing with
46:17
Ok.
46:18
Yeah, you might get drafted to the war.
46:19
You're dealing with so many things against you as a man, you
46:22
have to be successful to get, you know, women, you have to be
46:25
tall.
46:26
Like men are put down, women are put down.
46:28
This life is not meant for anybody to just get a hall pass and
46:31
have it easy.
46:32
So no matter what you're gonna walk into rooms or situations
46:34
where you're like, you know what, I might have to fight a little
46:36
bit harder for space for visibility or whatever.
46:39
But everybody out here is fighting different biases against
46:42
Yeah, everybody is um you think that there's like a token Latina
46:47
I do, I do believe it would be like, so I feel like because she
46:54
was so successful in modern family, people want to duplicate
46:57
that.
46:57
So then that becomes a token like that's what I want.
46:59
I want to get more of that.
47:00
But there's so many other kind of Latinas.
47:02
Now, all of us are a little bit more centric.
47:06
Some of us are more laid back.
47:07
There's so much diversity within Latinidad.
47:09
So I feel like that when I think of people hiring for that role
47:12
I feel like people want that.
47:14
I and I get what you mean and that's why like when you were talking
47:16
about what you said, I was like, OK, that's interesting.
47:18
I never thought about that maybe one type of Latino would take
47:20
president over another and it sucks.
47:22
But now that I was getting about it, we're talking like this
47:25
and we're so passionate because we really love our Latino
47:28
culture.
47:29
Absolutely beautiful thing.
47:31
And all I want is for everyone around me to, to like, learn about
47:35
it and to enjoy and I bring my friends over and they dance salsa
47:38
and like I know for a fact that I have enriched the lives of my
47:41
friends, my American friends and that they love it because
47:44
of me.
47:44
So it's not, not because because I exposed them to it.
47:47
Like the thing is that they don't have exposure so they can't
47:50
understand.
47:50
I feel the same way like in the comedy clubs in New York, like
47:52
a lot of people didn't really, there's not a lot of Latinas
47:55
doing comedy.
47:56
I really am one of the only ones exposing people that yeah,
47:59
and now other people are getting opportunities like, oh this
48:01
is, this is Latino.
48:02
Let me try to get more of that.
48:03
So I'm literally in the clubs all trailblazing.
48:08
This conversation got complicated, complicated, but I like
48:13
it because I feel like if someone needed to start this conversation
48:17
I hope more people do have this conversation.
48:20
And I think there's still more to unpack.
48:21
I'm sure it's going to come throughout different episodes
48:23
but I appreciate how there's a safe space and we're all like
48:26
and I'm proud of how proud we are of our countries.
48:30
We really could be, Miss Universe Dominican Republic.
48:35
And I appreciate and Dominican Republic and I, and I appreciate
48:41
thank God for closing the episode.
48:45
I appreciate how we're all listening to each other from different
48:47
povs.
48:48
I'm going to wrap this up.
48:49
But what's something you want to take away from this conversation
48:52
I wanna take away that like, yeah, sometimes we do live in our
48:54
own bubbles and hearing from you because I feel like we have
48:57
similar experiences and we view the world from a very similar
48:59
lens.
49:00
It's really nice like hearing from the east coast, even like
49:04
again, skin tone, everything you're where you're from like
49:06
you know, being dr it's so different and it's so nice actually
49:09
hearing that because again, we don't really meet a lot of Dominicans
49:11
out here or even people from New York.
49:12
So it's like, whoa, it's like, hey man, what, what I give him
49:17
is that we're to be proud of where you're from.
49:20
Like we are each equal as in love and proud of our cultures.
49:23
And that's a beautiful thing that means that we have something
49:25
to offer for everybody.
49:26
You know what I mean?
49:26
And we should accept other like Spanish people too.
49:29
We're not, everyone's accepted here, everyone's out of their
49:32
culture.
49:33
And we have to see that, you know, it's kind of like you had to
49:35
step in somebody's world to understand and I accept it into
49:38
yours just right here.
49:39
And I'm already ready to go to Dr today.
49:43
Let's go Dominican and I took inspiration.
49:47
I'm excited about this conversation.
49:49
I'm excited building on it.
49:50
Um I'm anxious but I think it's important for me, for me as someone
49:55
that is, I'm so stubborn about my identity and I worked really
49:59
hard to love myself.
50:00
I am being more open and flexible about.
50:02
Ok.
50:03
Well, there are other experiences out there and I don't have
50:06
to just constantly feel, I guess I think it's just hard as a
50:10
woman that's a black Latina to be like, oh other white Latinas
50:12
get all the opportunities and they get more praise and I'm
50:15
starting to learn that everyone is so not that I didn't know
50:18
it.
50:18
See, I shouldn't have drank wine before this conversation
50:20
I am appreciative of all our different experiences and I'm
50:24
not taking any offense to it.
50:26
I think before I used to get really offended when I was like
50:28
oh, they get opportunities.
50:29
That's not fair.
50:30
And I'm like, you know what, what's for everybody is for everybody
50:33
and I'm just excited that we get to have this conversation
50:36
So yeah, we clearly need a part two in this conversation.
50:40
So please like, subscribe, comment, comment, you think,
50:43
comment, if you think I'm out of pocket or if we're out of pocket
50:46
or if she's right or Dominicans back me up and we want to hear
50:50
from you, please.
50:52
I just learned English, we want to hear from you and we might
50:57
even revisit this episode in the future.
50:59
And also if there's any topics about anything.
51:02
Comment below.
51:03
Also, it is a safe space.
51:05
It is a safe space at the wrong Colombia Dominican Republic
51:14
Thank you.
51:16
Thank you from Santos.