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Doris Anahí and Prima J

Girl, Let Me Tell You
Pop sensation Prima J are back to share their journey and singer-songwriter Doris Anahi talks about what it’s like to be on the receiving end of cancel culture.
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I mean, I was the subject but I was a protagonist of a documentary
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called Mia and I premiered at Sundance last year.
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I thank you.
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But then it never came out.
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Let me tell you like we, we don't own anything from the label
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We don't own the music.
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We like we have nothing.
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We made zero off of all of this time.
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Like we don't need anything from it.
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If we did that, that made it.
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What's up?
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Everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of girl.
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Let me tell you and I wanna know what's on your feed.
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Oh, there's a lot going on.
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Well, first off, I wanna catch up with you.
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You've been in New York.
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I think I've been on your, I've been on your, you've been on
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my feed around the world.
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Do I do?
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I do be posting a lot.
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I went to New York City for a month.
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I know that, you know, it's been interesting to go back home
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I don't know what to call home yet.
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I feel like a traitor is weird.
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I know your home is always New York.
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God, I didn't wanna say L A is, is born and raised in New York
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I just wanted to make sure I was ok with everybody else because
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I'm always gonna be a New Yorker and going back home reminded
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me of that.
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But I'm down to explore LA.
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I don't know if it's a staycation but stay a stay work.
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Like it's been fun.
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I've been living, I've been chilling.
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So, what was your highlight of New York?
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My highlight of New York was one of my dreams came true, which
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was so um I know that you ladies are learning a lot about stand
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up community and me and my best friend Sasha who's on three
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Gs in a pod as well.
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Um We just did history.
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We actually did the first comedy show at the United Palace
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Theater and it was a all Dominican line up.
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It was the first time.
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Yeah, it was the first time.
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Comedy was part of the New York Comedy Festival uptown New
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York.
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So it was, there were a lot of first and I think like my, one of
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my comedy dreams has come true.
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So like everything else that happens after this is I just wanna
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say since the day that I met, which was in, in March of last of
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this year, it feels like last year until now.
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So you have grown so much and I matured and like taking it with
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grace sometimes, maybe not so much.
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There was one time it was gone, but like throughout it.
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I'm just so proud of you.
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Thank you.
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I saw those videos of that show and I was like, wow, I knew you
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were having the best.
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We're not even done rolling out the social media plan.
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But it, it's been fun and it was really nice spending time with
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my niece.
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So that's really the most important thing for me.
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My nieces just hanging out with them.
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We went to dinner, we went to the family dinner.
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It was just cute to be back home and to feel appreciated by my
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stand up community.
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So I'm working, I'm working out here.
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What have you been doing?
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Ivana, I saw you in Colombia.
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Yes, I got to go to Colombia for two weeks.
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I became the ambassador of this organization called Powerful
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Children of Colombia.
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And uh they are like, they, they support Colombian led organizations
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that help kids through sport, arts and education, like really
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vulnerable areas.
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So this time I got to go to different parts of Colombia that
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I've never been to.
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Like, I've been in Colombia since I was born.
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But I went to like Barricada and Cabrera and places that like
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are in the mountains and playing with these kids that like
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I mean, I would never have the opportunity.
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It was really inspiring and beautiful and I ate a lot of arepas
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are, I can't sit very comfortably now because of it, but I'm
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really happy in my heart.
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So it was a really nice.
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Two weeks, three weeks, I'm so happy for you.
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She's always doing good for the community.
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Jessica.
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We saw you trailing your trailer.
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Like every time I go into, into stories, I just see you on the
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highway like you, I belong to the freeway.
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I belong to the freeway, not the streets, the freeways.
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So what's going on?
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Are you pulling, like talk to me about this trailer life?
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Ok.
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So I bought like a travel trailer.
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I don't know if you guys have ever traveled but you see like
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a car towing, towing a tra a trailer, there's a shower in there
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a sink, an oven, a stove, a bed, anything you could possibly
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need.
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It's little, you know, sleeps maybe three or four, but I'm
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planning on taking it on December 11th from Los Angeles driving
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it to Tennessee where I'm gonna park it there person per permanently
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Say where please somewhere in Tennessee permanently and
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I wanna like live in it and then maybe be back, be back shower
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there's a shower, there's a toilet, there's anything you
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you could possibly need but like really live and move.
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I'm gonna move to work.
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Um, there's like a tank and you gotta like dump it out like at
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certain campsites and things of that nature.
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I I'm learning.
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No, you have to dump out the tank, the girls there doing bad
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stuff.
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So I know but there is like a tube and whatever up Ivana woman
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Shit.
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Oh my God.
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It's, it's, it's no, we don't.
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It's hereditary.
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I don't know.
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It is happening.
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Right.
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Let's move on.
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Some people have it.
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Some people don't either way, guys, I'm excited.
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My biggest concern is getting there in one piece because if
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you've never towed or hauled piece.
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Yes, girl, you're driving a truck.
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The truck is towing a thing like it can move, it sways in the
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wind, it can, like there's so many things like the doors open
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in one trip.
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I don't.
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That's scary.
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We open in one trip, the car down like flies out.
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Oh my God.
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That's what I'm saying.
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So pray for me, it's gonna be really fun adventure.
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But I just, I just need to get there.
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You know, Jessica.
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You know what I think she's not for the streets.
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I think her for love is blind.
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You.
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You should, you should love for love is blind.
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She's ready and I do it.
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I can do it.
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I think I, you know, I think I see us both on love is blind.
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Like that would just be a moment but you would find true love
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Yeah, like I'm definitely going viral.
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Like, oh I didn't like that.
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You find true love and then you go on the honeymoon and then
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you like is this what you look like?
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No.
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Aren't you in love already?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes, I am.
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Oh, well, we have a great episode today.
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I'm already excited for it.
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I think this episode to your point is about growth.
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And you know, I think the the overarching theme, I was gonna
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say team the overarching theme like is um it resonates with
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both of our guests today.
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Well, all three of our guests today, I'm really excited to
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talk to them.
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I'm like we like a music theme going on.
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We have a music theme.
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They're iconic, obviously.
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Do ana and of course, Prima J who come on on iconic.
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You guys, I know.
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All right, you guys, we are back and ready to introduce our
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first guest, Doris Ana.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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You guys, Los Angeles born, come sit girl while I show you off
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a little bit.
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Los Angeles born Mexico City based singer songwriter Doris
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and Nai brings a spirited soul house to her rancheras, such
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beautiful music.
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I've seen you perform live a billion times by the way, starting
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as an artist manager and community organizer, Doris is known
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for her unconventional journey, released her acclaimed
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debut EPA predi endo Por Las Malas in 2022.
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Uh garnering attention from Rolling Stone and Vogue and she
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is now set to launch her following up Epa Predi endo Por Las
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Buenas in December 2023.
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So we clap a lot.
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We're like really excited to have you to meet you officially
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I know I've heard so much about you the past three years that
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you've been, you blew up like all over.
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So it's been a wild journey.
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It's been a, I, I'm learning about you now and I just moved to
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L A.
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So I'm like, learning everything and I think they were telling
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me that you started a more traditional career and then switch
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into the creative, which we were all kind of talking about
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Like we all needed to take some space to really find who we were
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So, what was that process for you?
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Like, tell me everything.
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Yeah, I mean, I grew up performing so it's always been in me
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I was born into a family of musicians and then in college, I
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found the music industry and really all the doors are opening
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up for me there.
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And I was like, I think I was like a kid of immigrants and you
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finally find like your lane to blossom into a career.
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You're like, ok, Rosa medo, like this is where I can maybe try
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to get a job.
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And then, I mean, yeah, the music industry is very temperamental
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So I went through, I went through the journey of having like
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my first job getting like, oh starting my own company.
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And then that was a whole another world when I started a business
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and I was like 23 years old, like not going to business school
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just off of like a lot of vision and just having a passion for
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us taking space in the music industry and the pandemic happened
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and the whole music industry shut down.
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And I think when the industry shut down, we all recognize that
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like, the music was still there right at its core.
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And summer 2020 I, like, really fought really hard.
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Like the, you know, honestly, I, like, I fell into a really
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deep depression and, and me trying to climb my way out.
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I got into a fellowship at us c and that's what really like opened
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up the, the space for me to be like, all right, then I can, I have
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the space to be creative again.
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And that's when I decided to close my company.
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And it took me some time because I really thought I was going
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to continue in the music industry and all that.
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But at the same time, I was like, OK, let me express myself a
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like, it was like putting a toe in the water and then a foot in
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the water.
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And then, yeah, it was always like in the back of your, I was
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gonna say that like, because I think all of us, like you acting
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was always in the back of your mind.
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You know, you always had comedy in the back of your mind.
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Yet you're stuck in some of these jobs sometimes that you're
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like, I love it.
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It's cool.
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It's close.
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You know, you're in the music industry.
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I'm not the one singing, although I know I can do it, but actually
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pulling the trigger is so scary for people.
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So I had only really known you on like the management side of
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things.
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But then when I saw you making that transition, I was like,
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that takes balls because everybody in the industry already
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knew who you were, they knew you as this person.
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So people like all eyes are on you, the music has to be good.
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You know, people are gonna be hyper critical of like whatever
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you put out.
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You know what I mean?
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That just comes with it.
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Honestly, when I was in the music industry side, I found a lot
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of success very quickly.
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And so I was like, oh, this is my lane.
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Like this is like where I was meant to be, I thought like, ok
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all these years growing up performing is what allowed me
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to have really the deep understanding, not, not many on the
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industry do.
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So that way I can have the language, that way I can be the best
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advocate for the artist that I'm representing.
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I really thought like, oh, I went through all of this so that
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way I can be on the music industry side of it all.
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And I felt like, OK, like, yeah, I'll sing a karaoke sometimes
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or like with my family, that girl, a karaoke, my God.
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I'm so sorry, but you're welcome you this because everybody
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was killing all these songs.
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It'd be like that sometimes.
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But honestly, it was where I was like, ok, I can just do this
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for fun when I want to.
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But I think things just got really real when you know, it hit
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the fan because that was the face of the film.
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I think I took a lot of um of the flack for it and assumed a lot
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of responsibility publicly, even though I wasn't a producer
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on the film, I didn't make this film with Cancel Culture and
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how quickly things move on.
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Do you feel like you're part of the Cancel Culture?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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I mean, people think that I was trying to mediate privately
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for the entire year.
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We're gonna get deeper into all of these conversations.
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Let's get into a very special version of caritas.
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No more.
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We have tarot cards in honor of your music video, Senza.
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They're really cute.
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OK.
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Card number one.
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The fool beginning spontaneity, starting new journeys.
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Share a moment when you felt compelled to begin a new journey
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How did this transition or decision to step into the unknown
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Influence your path forward in your career or any other aspect
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Ok.
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So in your journey, in specific, you jumped into the music
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industry which again, like in our culture, that's really
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scary.
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Our parents don't always understand it because it's not like
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your traditional job.
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Tell me a little bit about that switch in your mind where you're
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like, I'm gonna go into this completely unknown, you know
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part of your life.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah, a brand new journey for me where
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when I found myself starting to like intern in the music industry
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I was like on the major label side of things.
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And I was really the only Latina in those buildings.
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Like, and then I remember seeing like one Latina in like the
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elevator and realizing that she just came from the Miami office
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or Sony Latin, you know, and I was like, oh, that's a lie because
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they put us all in those spaces.
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And I, I just had this like, burning fire.
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I wanted to feel like, well, folks, like I should be able to
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space in the general market, right?
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And so then that's how I kind of stumbled across into that.
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Got my first job in the music industry after I graduated as
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a tour manager again, more.
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I'm like a girl signed to Columbia Records.
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Like it was, it was, it was a whirlwind, it was a whirlwind.
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But when I got let go, I was like, all right, like, I'm forced
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to now create a new journey for myself.
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And that's when I started behind management, I was like, February
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2017.
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I'm 17.
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Yeah.
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And I think like when you're faced with a crossroads, you know
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it's like, again, like you said, like we can either repeat
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a new cycle, I mean, repeat the same cycle over again or create
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a new, a new path for yourself.
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And at that point I felt like no one was hiring me.
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So I was like, ok, if no one's hiring me, then I need to create
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my own job.
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And then that's when, uh, when it all began.
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And so, yeah, unbeknownst to me, I mean, what was to come my
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way and, but, but we're here now, we're so grateful to know
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like the ins and outs of the management business as well and
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like, how many artists are so blind to like what goes down underneath
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So it's a blessing and a curse though.
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Honestly, I really, I'd rather just be like, not, no, I always
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say that too.
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Sometimes I wish I was a little bit more ignorant because this
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is kind of like when you know everything is just, it is bliss
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Ignorance is bliss until it's not right.
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And you're like, all right, let's do the next one guys.
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So this one is night of wands.
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So at what point did you choose to bet on yourself?
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The pandemic?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think, I think as a music manager, I bet on myself in
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one way, right?
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But this was me betting on myself to put everyone else on and
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I think advocating for others is so much easier than advocating
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for yourself.
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And it wasn't until the whole music industry shutdown happened
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And then every like sign was coming my way to finally express
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myself as an artist.
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And I had like put out like one video on my 27th birthday, the
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singing Rancheras in my backyard and it, like, it changed
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my life honestly.
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And, and, and that video is what led a lot of people to being
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like, they didn't know me, they didn't know that pers that
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person and the people who grew up with me knew me as a singer
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But the people in the industry were like, you can sing like
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wait what?
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And, and it wasn't until fall of 2021 that I decided that I was
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going to decline the offer to launch this record label and
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finally really plant the seeds for me to finally putting,
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put out my own music.
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And I felt like, ok, if I bet on myself to ban all these other
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artist careers, then why can't I do that for me?
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I think that's interesting because the next card is the tower
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card.
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So this card is about transformation.
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And so the question is, have you ever blamed other people for
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your shortcomings in my own processing?
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I think.
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Yeah, I think at first, like your knee jerk reaction is like
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why did this happen to me instead of how, why did this happen
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for me and like going from like victim mindset to being on the
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other side of it?
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It takes some time.
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Yeah, I mean, I was the subject or they try not to use the word
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subject.
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But I was a protagonist of a documentary called Mia uh that
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premiered at Sundance last year.
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I thank you.
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Um And then Disney bought the film.
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Yeah.
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Um but then it never came out and the there was a public fall
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out.
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It gets really, it's, I mean, details that aren't mine to share
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I think there's like sensitive information that yeah, that's
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just not mine to share.
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Um And then a whole bunch of stuff happened behind the scenes
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at Disney.
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And um I mean, I think everyone tried their best and had the
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best of intentions to, to put this film out to reach the people
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that it needed the most.
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Um But then I was because I was the face of the film, I think I
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took a lot of um of the flak for it and assumed a lot of responsibility
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publicly, even though I wasn't a producer on the film, I didn't
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make this film but I mean, with Cancel Culture and how quickly
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things move on?
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Do you feel like you're part of the Cancel Culture?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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I mean, people think to publicly that I was trying to mediate
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privately for the entire year.
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Like that's what people don't know.
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What people don't know.
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Is that like, I didn't wanna, don't worry, darling, the documentary
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you know, where people think about the drama before they
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think about what the actual film, you know, and it was that
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but I know and I wanted to hand exactly.
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And you wanted to I wanted to handle it as wise as possible.
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Like I had a past um as being a young manager and learning through
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failure and trial by fire, I had a deep fear of conflict where
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I had to, like, do my own work to understand why I was so avoidant
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and know where that trauma response came from.
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Right.
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It's either you're avoidant or you're confrontational.
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So when things hit the fan with the film and no one really knew
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that me and the other person who was also highlighted in the
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film had a falling out like weeks after and I really had no idea
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why.
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And I was like, all right, like this isn't a safe space for us
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to speak to like one on one anymore.
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Like let's bring in a mediator, like let's bring in like, let
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me try to now really confront like my own fear of conflict here
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but try to find a way to do it in the healthiest way possible
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So I advocated for mediation the entire year that you're doing
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it publicly.
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Like that's the thing that a lot of sometimes people don't
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understand is having to deal with this publicly, so many personalities
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so many egos, so many factors that in your mind, you can't
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control so much of what happened.
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You know, you take accountability for what you did do or what
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you know what I mean?
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But, but you can't really control so much of what happens in
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your environment, you can like take control of how you reacted
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in a certain situation which we're human.
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Um How like, you're not always gonna get it right.
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So how did it go after the one year that it's mediated?
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And no, I mean, that the thing is that mediation was denied
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the whole year.
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And so when things got taken publicly, I think a lot of folks
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thought that I was like, evading accountability and that
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I'm trying to like, um what is it try to hide these things when
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like, people had no idea that I was trying to handle these things
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behind the scenes for months.
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And so once it got No.
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Exactly.
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So once it got taken publicly, none of this was stuff that I
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was trying to be handled privately.
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Um Yeah, because it shouldn't have been at the forefront of
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that, especially like, hello, we're like two young Latinas
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at the being the face of a new, like the first Disney original
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documentary.
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Like we didn't want, I knew I didn't want to like, be difficult
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for them.
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Like we, we're already trying so hard to like, make our way
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into this and now we're seen as that.
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Exactly.
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Especially because those things that we, that could have
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been prevented.
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Yeah.
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Do you feel like you ha like this almost had to happen for you
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to be able to like, get as deep as you do with yourself and like
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the avoidance and like the trauma, it's almost like it was
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meant to be and maybe it'll come out in a different vehicle
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in a, in a more powerful vehicle.
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The same.
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It was definitely, I mean, it was a reckoning in my life for
19:35
sure.
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I think, like, what the tower represents is like when things
19:38
that need to fall apart.
19:40
Like, because, because it was like, it wasn't even a stable
19:43
foundation.
19:44
It wasn't even for you.
19:45
You know, everything happened at once.
19:47
It was like, the film didn't come out in September and it was
19:50
the same week that I also found out my grandma was dying and
19:54
like that woman raised me and then it led into her passing away
19:57
in October and then we'll, we'll lead into it too.
20:01
But at the same time, it was like, uh my really horrible break
20:05
up that happened at the same time and then weeks later, all
20:08
of this erupted online and I was like, can I have a break?
20:11
Please thought I was like, I can't take this anymore.
20:14
At that time, I was not thinking good thoughts and thinking
20:18
like my life is, oh, of course, I felt like I, my life wasn't
20:21
worth living anymore.
20:23
Like I felt like such a deep shame and I'm like, oh, I'm never
20:28
coming back from this.
20:29
What's the point?
20:30
Um But I had to be faced with that to be like, no, like I'm surrounded
20:35
by like my angels and my guides.
20:36
And like, I think in that time when everything falls apart
20:39
what's revealed is like, what was the strongest foundation
20:41
right?
20:42
And like, oh, like on my unconditional love that I had like
20:45
oh, wow.
20:45
Like all the people who were surrounding me at that time, oh
20:49
my God, my family and my chosen family, people, like at that
20:52
time, I was surrounded by love.
20:53
A lot of people, people wanna surround you when you're at the
20:55
top.
20:55
But in that moment, what was revealed to me was a lot of people
20:57
that were around me that were not really for me.
20:59
I'm going through a friendship break up right now.
21:00
I'm like, it sounds like thank God, we went in and break up in
21:03
private because I can't have that friendship break up just
21:08
as hard as that even more in the world.
21:12
Well, this goes into our next question.
21:14
You guys, three of swords, betrayal, suffering, healing
21:18
How is betrayal played a role in your transformation?
21:21
Who hurt you?
21:23
I'm not gonna lie.
21:24
I've met her, I met her, but some of that hurt can be your own
21:28
perspective.
21:29
Like maybe you're looking at a situation from your, we're
21:32
talking a lot like there's a lot that you said that kind of like
21:34
filled in some blind spots for me.
21:35
Like everyone's just operating off their survival mechanism
21:38
So like me being confrontational can be um jarring to someone
21:43
that sees confrontation as violence.
21:44
So I think that for me, betrayal, it has to, I have to take kind
21:49
of ability of like, OK, is this betrayal or like was I actually
21:51
not putting up boundaries and like over giving or over sharing
21:55
or there's just been a lot of things in the, in like in my journey
21:59
in comedy where I'm like, wow, like that person used me but
22:02
did they use me or was I just not putting up boundaries?
22:04
You know?
22:05
So I don't know, I think that we can be hurt but you can't cling
22:08
on to that.
22:09
That's my POV I, I experienced betrayal like two or three years
22:15
ago in my real form of betrayal I ever had and I learned a lot
22:18
from it because I got betrayed by somebody that I loved and
22:21
all my biggest fears came to life like cheating, lying, just
22:25
shadiness like that I've never experienced before.
22:27
And what I learned from that or what I realize is like when you
22:31
lie, even if you do it because you're, you wanna like not hurt
22:34
somebody or you wanna like, you know, not the truth, you're
22:38
creating a false narrative and then I'm working off this false
22:42
narrative.
22:43
So every lie you're saying, I'm, I'm working off of it because
22:45
that's what you're giving me and then we're creating a false
22:48
life and then everything just crashes, you know.
22:50
So like betrayal is something that I probably won't go through
22:54
something like that.
22:55
I mean, not as bad but taught me a lot and I taught and I forgive
22:58
now and I realize that I won't get myself to, like, stay for
23:01
that long.
23:02
And I'm stronger than I was so like, it's, it's a blessing and
23:05
a curse.
23:06
Yeah.
23:07
And earlier last year my old manager was pulling cards for
23:10
my ex and three of swords came out, there was already compromises
23:13
of trust within the relationship.
23:15
So I saw a photo and I was like, no, I don't wanna believe this
23:17
That's my home girl.
23:18
Like she would never do something like that.
23:23
It's interesting.
23:23
Sorry.
23:23
It's also interesting.
23:24
Sometimes the people that do end up betraying you where it's
23:26
like, damn, I mean, well, the three stories is literally the
23:33
cover of Sima.
23:36
Isn't that the heart?
23:36
That's like the big another.
23:40
It's the cheat.
23:41
So, yeah, I mean, earlier last year my manager was pulling
23:45
cards for my ex and three of swords came out.
23:47
That should have been my first.
23:49
That should have been like, yeah, it was like one of those on
23:53
and off toxic abusive.
23:55
What was for two years, a leo and for two years and it was, yeah
24:01
I mean, my intuition knew though there was already compromises
24:04
of trust within the relationship.
24:06
And so there was like this open door policy on his phone if I
24:10
ever needed to, for me to trust him.
24:13
Right?
24:14
And like it would never happen again, blah, blah, blah me trying
24:16
to forget someone.
24:17
And so I knew the last week that my grandma was alive, he was
24:23
acting kind of sass.
24:24
And I was like, mm, this doesn't feel right.
24:26
My intuition, I had a dream about him and a friend.
24:29
Those are real.
24:30
The dream.
24:30
Are you, are you a friend of yours or who was a friend of mine
24:36
had, the vision was very clear.
24:39
And then days later I had a gut instinct to be like, hey, like
24:43
I've been feeling really off about Xy and Z.
24:47
Um I don't think I really feel comfortable with like the friendship
24:50
that you're growing with this friend of mine.
24:52
Like something feels, something feels really off to me because
24:55
I saw photos of them on set together the week before.
24:58
And I was like, I know this, you know, the three, you know, the
25:02
green line test is if like somebody is like the green line test
25:06
is like, if people like body language, like if they're like
25:09
como facing a certain way, the green line test means there's
25:11
like, um there's chemistry or whatever, right?
25:15
And so I saw a photo and I was like, no, I don't wanna believe
25:18
this.
25:18
That's my home girl.
25:19
Like she would never do something like that.
25:21
And it was Tuesday and I asked him like, you know, that open
25:24
door phone policy, like I haven't asked you like for this,
25:28
like, can can like, can we do it right?
25:31
His heart dropped and he was like, refusing to, I was like,
25:34
do you have something to hide then?
25:35
Like if you see a policy, you gotta keep it open like you on your
25:39
back on the day that I, I'm on the edge of my seat, you know, and
25:42
he, and he was, he refused um until the phone was finally handed
25:46
over and I saw his messages with her and he hit her up to be on
25:52
her guest list for a party.
25:54
She was djing that night that I introduced them at months before
25:58
I was like, this is it.
26:00
I was like, no, this is it is that um II I like left his house immediately
26:04
and like followed me to my car, blocked my car door, wouldn't
26:07
let me leave.
26:08
It was horrible.
26:09
And I was like, no, I'm breaking this curse and he's like, I'm
26:11
not a curse.
26:11
And I was like, you know what, like all the women, I was like
26:14
all the women who came before me stayed with men who mistreated
26:17
them out of survival and I don't need you to survive.
26:19
So get out of my life.
26:21
And then literally weeks later, they're together, weeks
26:26
my friends saw them but I know it was weeks after I need to know
26:30
the girl's friends sign cancer.
26:34
Um OK, I just want to say that I cannot tell you how much I relate
26:38
to that story.
26:39
It's I think it's happened to a lot more girls than we think
26:41
Like, friendships are girls that you thought you could trust
26:43
That end up being so sketchy.
26:45
I'm sorry you went through that.
26:46
But we feel good now, through your music, I feel like you're
26:49
healing a lot, right?
26:50
Like you feel like it's inspired so much of what you've been
26:52
putting out.
26:53
Oh, absolutely.
26:54
I mean, like literally my friend, what did the break up happen
26:57
End of October, My friend saw them together at the beginning
27:00
of December and this was when I was already planning my move
27:02
to Mexico.
27:03
And so once I got to Mexico, I just was surrounded by Mariachis
27:07
like every single weekend I was in Guadalajara.
27:09
And then I wrote my version of Paloma Negra, which is like infamous
27:13
Ranchero of Trac.
27:15
Can you sing us a little snippet of your song?
27:17
Just please.
27:18
The parts that, well, El Co co co is um see the Yeah, let me be
27:36
the, the more or less the next year.
27:43
Yeah.
27:54
So sing.
27:55
Come on, I'm sad.
28:03
Oh, I know that's the way I had a tweet you started seeing like
28:09
oh my gosh, those vocal.
28:11
Yeah, that's beautiful girl.
28:13
Oh my God.
28:14
I actually we first of all, thank you for being here, Doris
28:18
We have a surprise for you.
28:19
One of our guests came back because we wanna give you a gift
28:22
Everyone makes some noise for that.
28:31
I know I have been finding these trolls on the internet.
28:37
Oh my God girl, I'm like, don't come, my girl don't.
28:42
Oh Yeah, I wanna give you this jacket because I commend you
28:46
for it.
28:47
You went to a whole another country and you were living a whole
28:50
different life and you, you got over it, right?
28:54
Thank you so much.
28:55
It's beautiful.
28:57
I buy your mural all the time on first.
29:01
So I used to live in Boyle Heights.
29:02
I went from Boyle Heights to Mexico.
29:04
I'm so proud of you.
29:05
We don't need these men.
29:06
We don't thank you so much for stopping by San Juan and thank
29:10
you Doris for coming.
29:11
Can, can you let everybody know when your album's coming out
29:14
your next album and your social so everybody can reach out
29:17
and get in touch.
29:18
Hey Por Las Buenas comes out December 8th and you can find me
29:22
on Instagram, Como Midori on tiktok, Commodore and Munoz
29:26
And thank you.
29:31
Everywhere she goes.
29:33
She goes.
29:42
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29:43
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29:52
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That's here.
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Wait, don't leave me out of it.
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Thank you.
30:09
That was backwards.
30:10
Thank you.
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Oh wow, it's good.
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It's delicious.
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I know you love natural wine.
30:17
You want it too.
30:18
This is literally delicious.
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But another pair that we have that is aging like fine wine or
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the Prima J.
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Let's go.
30:31
OK.
30:32
Well, I'm just gonna give you, I'm gonna show off for you guys
30:34
Everybody already knows who you are.
30:34
But Prima J gained widespread recognition with their hit
30:37
single rock star in 2008.
30:39
So literally iconic for us, which became a dance anthem.
30:43
The girls also became the first music act to appear on the cover
30:46
of Latina magazine without ever releasing a record which
30:50
is insane.
30:51
Also, Prima J is now embracing the joys of motherhood and family
30:55
which is lovely and remains dedicated to reconnecting with
30:58
their audience through occasional musical gems, fun merch
31:01
and product collaboration.
31:04
I'm so happy you're here.
31:06
I know when, when we found out we were literally, I've been
31:12
singing.
31:13
So the day we found out, baby, I'm not alone.
31:16
OK.
31:17
I wanna know we're from Rosie.
31:22
My question is how did you guys get discovered?
31:27
How did you make the first thing I say that's a long story, but
31:32
long story short.
31:34
Um OK.
31:34
So our cousin models, it's kind of like right place, right
31:37
time.
31:37
I feel our cousin modeled.
31:39
I went with her to this area that had like talent scouts and
31:43
I was like, I just walked around singing.
31:45
I was like, no way someone's gonna, someone's gonna hear me
31:48
going back and forth down the hall.
31:49
And so this talent manager was like, I like your voice.
31:52
Like, try the studio, come up, come to my studios, like this
31:55
ringing studio in Lynwood.
31:56
And I was like, let's go.
31:57
Right.
31:58
So I brought Janel everywhere.
31:59
We're sisters, we grew up together, we lived together every
32:01
now and then.
32:02
So she came with me everywhere.
32:03
She kept me hyped like she just made me feel confident like
32:06
she had to be there and they were like, do you sing?
32:09
She was like, no, no, I I dance.
32:11
Yeah.
32:12
We were both dancers for so long and they were like, but your
32:14
personality is like the best crazy like you guys, like we have
32:18
to do something and we just started doing music together.
32:21
And honestly, that's when that's how we developed our sound
32:23
and the chemistry that we just Yeah, it's just our personalities
32:28
in our music.
32:28
Like everyone's like, what kind of music do we do you listen
32:31
to?
32:31
It's like nothing like the music we do but the music we do is
32:34
who we are together.
32:36
Like your personality essence, you know, fame came fast.
32:41
Like it was like, ho how was it to you guys?
32:44
Like we had someone knew someone that was like, hey, Ron Fair
32:48
wants to meet you guys because there was no Latin Latina artists
32:51
out back in the day in mainstream artist that was out when you
32:53
had no.
32:55
Yeah.
32:55
They were like, not mainstream nost where, you know, like
32:58
speaking only English because we live our culture.
33:00
But we just, you know, we don't, we don't really like, I think
33:03
I discovered, I mean, obviously I'm from New York so I think
33:05
I just your music through Z 100.
33:07
So it's like the mainstream radio.
33:08
So I'm like, it's interesting because like, we always talk
33:11
about how we grew up on different coasts.
33:12
But me and Jessica like really bonded because I'm like prima
33:15
j you know, I'm like, of course I am.
33:18
Did you not go to school or did you guys like they didn't sign
33:22
us until we turned 18.
33:25
So they signed us.
33:26
But we were working in the studio developing our sound, going
33:28
to high school all at the same time.
33:30
It might have been really cool to be like we're working on a
33:32
record.
33:33
Oh yeah, the haters are like, OK and then that was a big for us
33:40
to be like, OK, they were like, they love us but they were like
33:44
OK, OK, except for the music, I think what you ladies represent
33:47
is like, I feel like if I were making music with my cousins,
33:50
it would be just like it was like you ladies like exploring
33:52
your friendship, your I'm having fun.
33:56
Like they were like, I used to like do dance with my cousins
33:59
routines like in the garage.
34:01
Like that's literally how we did it.
34:03
We literally like we had a video camera and we would just film
34:06
ourselves doing music videos, Beyonce or Whitney Houston
34:10
or whatever just for fun.
34:11
We were all doing that.
34:12
But y you know that's, I feel like TLC spice that, that's a really
34:18
good intersection.
34:19
I know that's how it feels like.
34:20
Yeah, definitely.
34:23
What happened?
34:23
How did you, somebody was like, we want you to meet Ron, we went
34:27
to the record plant which was like a huge plant and you know
34:30
what?
34:30
It was our first ever like, like step into this world and Chris
34:35
Brown was there recording his second album.
34:37
It was so overwhelming and like we were just like, whatever
34:42
and we into there and we sang uh sing a song that we had a demo
34:45
of, we danced for Ron and he was like, all right, cool.
34:47
Let's sign them to uh um development deal right now.
34:50
Like, we didn't know what was going on.
34:54
My parents are like, but I think it's kind of good that we were
34:56
like thrown into it because we weren't like we were us like
35:00
we just were like, ok, whatever this is instead of being like
35:03
trained or like, you know how you have to be to meet your, you
35:06
were just like whatever happened, it was just there.
35:10
We didn't talk for years like me and her, we have nothing.
35:14
We made zero off of all of this time.
35:17
We're just like, no, the most important thing is our relationship
35:19
I don't even care to do this anymore.
35:22
What happened?
35:23
You know, we were listening to you ladies and then what happened
35:25
When did you start making music?
35:27
Um I always say because I'm like super like I was like, God was
35:31
in it because he took us out at the right time.
35:34
We, when we got out, we didn't talk, we didn't talk for years
35:38
Who did you talk?
35:39
Me and her like, talk to each other.
35:42
There's so many different aspects of the industry.
35:46
It's like not, we weren't built for the industry.
35:48
We were built to perform, to record.
35:51
It can be and how like manipulative people in people in my ear
35:55
like you don't need her, you don't need, you need your cousin
35:59
And like if we're not doing this together, we're not doing
36:02
it.
36:02
But at the same time, we were on different pages because we
36:05
had this person and this year this person and this year, oh
36:06
we need, you need a better manager.
36:08
I'm not leaving this manager.
36:09
Well, I need it.
36:10
You know, it was, it was hard and we didn't know what, what we
36:12
were, what was going on.
36:14
But it did give us the opportunity to kind of grow without each
36:17
other to see who we were as people individually too.
36:20
And then when we reunited, what was that first reunion?
36:23
Like, like reunite?
36:26
I mean, I think we tried a few times but it just wasn't authentic
36:29
It was, I had my baby and I was like, oh my God.
36:34
Like, I mean, I get emotional because I'm like, I knew my cousin
36:41
but I was like, oh man, I can't like, I can't, she can't, I can't
36:44
not know her child, you know.
36:45
So I was like, pick up the phone.
36:47
We got together, we had like hours and hours long conversation
36:51
about all the miscommunication that happened.
36:56
I didn't know and like, put all the pieces together and we're
36:59
like, why do we let that happen?
37:00
You know, and we're just like, no, the most important thing
37:03
is our relationship.
37:03
I don't even care to do this anymore.
37:05
But we're gonna build, this was, it was 10 years off and on like
37:09
and then finally, after I had my daughter in 2016, uh that's
37:14
when I think we really were like, authentic, like, let's,
37:17
let's work on our relationship.
37:18
I love that.
37:19
Will there ever be a world where Prima J may be that, you know
37:23
I'd love to be talking about it to be you guys in a concert right
37:31
now.
37:32
The cool, I mean, I have a five year old, she has a seven year
37:34
old.
37:35
So we're like in our mom era, you know, they're like, still
37:37
young but they're getting older.
37:39
They're like, super proud now, like when they see our videos
37:41
and stuff.
37:42
And so we're not gonna say it's never gonna happen.
37:45
But we want it to be the right time and the right opportunity
37:47
We're not just gonna like, I think you guys also have discovered
37:51
how bad the industry can be and how manipulative and it can
37:54
really flip your life upside down now with social media, it's
37:56
even worse, like more eyes are on you like crazy.
37:59
And because you guys are in your mom era, so much more is at stake
38:02
so much more, so much more is at stake with that.
38:05
I also think that was so I there's some downsides of social
38:07
media, but I think I've seen a lot of artists do the Indie Row
38:10
and maybe that's the opportunity.
38:11
I wish that I wish we could have done that back then.
38:14
You have to deal with all these people.
38:16
We could have done it.
38:17
There's so many people I know Tinashe is an Indie artist.
38:20
I think what Tha Monet might be and it's like they have their
38:22
fan base and we're fan.
38:23
I'm ready to be in the front row that if we did it, that's the
38:31
route we would go for sure.
38:32
Yeah, we would just wanna be authentic.
38:34
You guys maybe hear it all the time, but you genuinely make
38:37
the biggest difference in a little girl like mine's life.
38:40
I'm not even kidding because I was really bullied.
38:42
I've opened up about it on the podcast, but I remember only
38:45
seeing, you know, people that didn't look like me.
38:47
And then when I saw you.
38:48
I fell in love.
38:50
I would be like, oh, let me tell you like, we, we don't own anything
38:55
from the label.
38:56
We don't own the music.
38:57
We like we have nothing.
38:59
We made zero off of all of this time.
39:01
But those stories, but those stories, every time we hear those
39:07
stories, it's like that, that's all that matters.
39:10
Like we don't need anything from it.
39:11
If we did that, that made it happen.
39:14
It's your legacy, it's your legacy, money will come and they
39:18
come there like you don't understand how this song or this
39:20
lyric change.
39:21
I'm like, that's all that matters.
39:23
I think that's like the music representation like it's, it's
39:25
coming.
39:25
Gemini.
39:26
So like everything so like hearing that, that's like the base
39:28
like Im Rock and R and B that you have more meet TLC, you know
39:34
let's, let's these comments, see you impacted us, but let's
39:39
see what's going on over here online.
39:41
We're super excited.
39:42
So the first comment is if you listen to this when you were little
39:46
you are a bad bitch.
39:48
Now, I think I've seen something like that.
39:59
We did something right there.
40:01
You raised us and the crazy part is you guys, you're only a couple
40:05
years older than me, you know, like the fact that you've accomplished
40:08
so much and you're literally our age group like it blows my
40:11
mind.
40:11
So, all right.
40:12
Thank you for saying that because I don't think we give ourselves
40:15
enough.
40:17
What did we do?
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You know?
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There's always, there's always time I feel like I feel like
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there might be another, another win.
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I love it.
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People are giving us the energy and you know what we know?
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Come on.
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Come on.
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All right.
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Here's the next one when I was 10.
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I thought these were the Kardashians also.
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This song is still a smash.
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You were our literal Kardashian.
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It seems like we're just like hyping you up.
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But genuinely, I was like, can they hear us in the green room
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Oh my God.
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That is amazing.
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We don't see at all when we hear it.
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We're like, that's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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You have so much energy right now.
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Usually when we interview people, we're a little bit more
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right now.
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We're like the dream.
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Like I was listening to you ladies when there was a Boom Box
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I don't know, like JZ knows about Boombox.
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We have to, we have to sit and record the song when it came on
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the radio.
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Yeah, I was doing, I was recording my mix tape, like watching
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the music video in my own mirror.
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Like incredible.
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So, what about this?
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What about that or not?
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The hair clip?
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I never wanted those hair clips, but they were however they
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put them in and they're like, we're gonna do a take with a take
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out just to please.
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And then after it came out them and then I was like, OK.
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And then it grew on me and then turn up, people said it was like
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a, you literally started the clips you guys, I think we have
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some questions.
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There's also some questions from the Aaron Troy music asked
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does Prima J plan on releasing more singles or is there a plan
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to release an ep uh I mean, sometimes we just like we released
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two singles in the last like few years.
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You bought like nothing.
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We didn't.
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Yeah, we just like, we like fans wanna hear something.
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We're like, here you go.
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Like, you know, we don't do much but like, yeah, we're always
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looking to please our fans.
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Did you see when Love Is Wicked went viral earlier this year
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I don't know if you know um I think it's Nina and Brick.
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I, I forget that the two sisters and they went viral.
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They were also out like in the, in the two thousands.
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Lace.
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Yes.
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Brick and Lace.
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Thank you.
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You need to talk to them.
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Can you guys a little s I'm just trying to say we'll do it.
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Could be rock star or baby.
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Those days are gone.
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I promise you it'll get better.
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So I go around y uh if you're thinking about bailing out, I'm
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gonna make it better fall.
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We'll get through this together Gora song, a song.
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No, you're not alone.
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Thank you for having us of people.
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This, this I can retire.
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We're, you're, you're begging me better.
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I feel like rockstar is gonna be trending on tiktok this week
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I, I have a, I have a few followers.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk to the algorithm.
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Hey, Jessica.
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Absolutely.
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Well, thank you guys so much for coming on for those little
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tiny amounts of people.
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I don't know where to follow you.
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Where can they find you?
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Uh Prima J official at Prima J on Instagram.
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Um Yeah, follow us there and then you can get our personal.
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This has been so, so fun.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm Yvonne Rojas.
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I'm glad Mora, I'm Jessica Flores.
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I'm Janelle, I'm Jessica.
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We're prima J and this is girl, let me tell you.