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I think that every Latina started their true crime fascination
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when Selena was murdered by Yolanda full on that Yoanda just
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killed Selena in cold blood.
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She had a very rough childhood growing up.
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She was often bullied, not only by her parents but by her siblings
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When I was in grade school, OJ Simpson's kids were in my school
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during the the murder trial.
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She was my big buddy.
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His da his daughter was my big buddy.
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Don't you think that maybe it creates like a sense of paranoia
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sometimes like a little bit too much, especially with the
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high rates of femicide.
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The high rates of female victims are on the rise.
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There was a whole section of women in these trials like in love
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with this matter what attracts us mainly to these cases and
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to these individuals is that to stare at something so primal
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in the face entices us.
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It's just part of our human nature.
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The fingerprint was matched to the house in New York.
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Girl, girl, girl, I'm solving the biggest of the come on baby
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Today we're talking true crime, fierce phobias and maybe
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What I'm so excited.
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Sorry, I just screamed way too hard.
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I'm so excited for this.
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I think that every Latina started their true crime fascination
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when Selena was murdered by Yolanda.
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I would agree with that.
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I, I feel like every year I do like a, like a yearly rabbit hole
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with Selena Princess Diana and OJ Simpson.
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Like these are just the crimes.
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I feel like you definitely stick to like the really warm comfort
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comfort I have when I was in grade school, OJ Simpson's kids
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were in my school during the, the murder trial was I, I was gonna
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make a bad jokes about Kloe Kardashian.
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But that was like, it was the first time I was like, so I like
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got stunned by even the, the idea of death and murder.
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But did you, did you watch like the, I guess so young?
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But I, I remember thinking like something's up but why is he
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alone when everybody's a carpool standing by himself and
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everybody else is on the other side?
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Like, what if he would come and pick up his kids during the trial
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I think that's crazy that you went to school with OJ Simpson's
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Yeah, she was my big buddy.
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His da his daughter was my big buddy.
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So it was like a whole thing.
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You have somebody who takes care of me?
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We had that in my school too.
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True crime and with Selena all like, you know, those, those
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that was the makes of my first idea of true crime.
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II, I love true crime.
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I think there's a fine line where you can, like, watch enough
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to where you kind of understand, like how to defend yourself
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I think that there's like stats that have come out about like
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true crime and it's good in the sense that OK, you can indulge
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a little bit and understand the mind of like a human is, is intriguing
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especially somebody that's out there doing stuff like that
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You're almost wondering like, what makes them so crazy?
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Like what makes them OK with, you know, thinking that it's
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OK to like go out there and do all these heinous things.
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But I think when it's too much, like sometimes it can be bad
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I feel like sometimes I don't even watch, I don't even, it's
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like the same, like, it's like a dopamine.
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It's like a, it's like, it's not about the fear based thing
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It's like, discover, it's the excitement of discovering
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what's happening and then getting the answer from it.
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You know what I mean?
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I, I feel a little guilty being so intrigued by it.
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I'm not, I feel good about it, but I can't, can I ask you a question
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That's something that I thought about when we were talking
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What's the difference?
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Between news and True Crime.
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Like, what does that question make sense?
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Because for me, I'm like, if it's an ongoing case, like when
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the Idaho four happens, I'm like, I'm involved in this because
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the roommate was awake.
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Like, I need answers for like my soul.
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But then people go out and watch s like, I don't watch the series
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unless like a big case OJ Simpson.
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Um, the, the old day versus the People was one of the best shows
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I've ever seen in my life.
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But like, what, what's the difference?
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Like, why do people go seek that out?
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We have to ask a true crime expert because I don't think any
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Do you ever seek out?
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I, I do, I watch the Netflix series from time to time if it's
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like the top recommended one like the Mur the Murder, I didn't
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even watch before taking him and things like that or the night
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soccer was also really, really good.
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I think what makes me intrigued by it is the mind and you know
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Actually studies have also shown that it's mostly women or
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it's, I don't wanna say mostly, but it's, it's more women that
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are into true crime.
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And I think you have to ask yourself why, like, we're women
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So, but it's like women in the world and I think it's because
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like, we generally wanna understand, ok, if there's danger
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how do you respond how do you react?
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Like, what are you gonna do in this situation?
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The True Crime fans spend an average of four hours a week consuming
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That's, that's too much for me.
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Like I block everybody that talks true crime in my, on my, on
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my feed in the last six years, almost 200 true crime podcasts
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So it's like the main same thing that's listened to and watched
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But I think also, like, hopefully you get like a good ending
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at the end which can kind of give like people that are watching
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this, like some sense of, is there a good ending?
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Everybody ends in murder?
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No, but at least like they, either the person or like justice
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is served or something like the True crime episodes that don't
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end and resolve like that shit pisses me off.
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Like it's, he, he's still out there like he still.
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I actually don't know.
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I don't know how much about OJ.
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I mean, I am, I know, I know, but I'm not telling anybody.
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I mean, I, I guess, but yeah, I just don't really seek it out
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I didn't watch the Dahmer case because I felt like sometimes
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in these situations, the family doesn't have a right to the
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story being produced.
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So, like the family of the Dahmer, I think some of the victims
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they said they didn't wanna wa they didn't want that out there
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and people still watched it.
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And I just, I feel like for me, like, it's like, I just, I don't
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find that genre interesting.
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I'm just excited to learn why it is so popular, why it's so addicting
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And I do think it has to do with like the dopamine and like the
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the, the click that we get for finding out things and the excitement
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You know what else I thought about when thinking about this
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episode, sometimes they're like adjacent true crime things
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So like I did watch How To Get Away with murder and like some
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of those kind of shows is the does that kind of kind of, yeah
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it's not like true crime but it's like crime based shows.
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Like I can watch that.
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I can't watch something.
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I read something about how like we're so used to since like
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the Hunter and Gatherer Times of murderers and like rapes
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and like violence that is part of our like culture so much so
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that it's literally something that is just embedded in us
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And how about this if you are around it or not, it's just always
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a us in the media and things like that since the beginning of
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the Hunter and Gatherers time, you know, it's interesting
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you say that because I did read somewhere that even like back
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in the day when they would do like beheadings or like, you know
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public executions people would buy tickets to watch, to
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So it's something about humans that are intrigued with other
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humans punishment or other humans that maybe do like big crazy
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But there's also the flip side of it is like, ok, are we numbing
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So, are we coming more desensitized?
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Like when I see videos now on Instagram on music?
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I can't believe I'm watching somebody.
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I don't, that's dead.
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Like, what am I, what is happening and having no, like, you
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know, just, it's just like I'm, I'm, I'm consuming this energy
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without even knowing how it's affecting me mentally.
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No, it's a, it's definitely so much to take it.
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It could be like very happy.
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But again, like, I think the interesting part of it is OK.
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Why are they, what about them actually growing up?
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I would always go on youtube and watch interviews with like
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It is so intriguing to just watch how they're just so serious
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and they're like, yeah, I did that just detach and I think it
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had obviously is something mental, you know what I mean?
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Because there's like genuine people out there that actually
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find so much pleasure and, and actually going out there and
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and they're like, this is my next victim.
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Like they get like a rush about it.
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You when we see like these series, like we're literally see
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I'm already feeling very weird right now.
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I think talking to me about this and I know that we have a guest
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coming up and she's gonna tell us, I wanna know that we're gonna
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be talking to an expert who knows about the culture, knows
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about so many different cases and is, you know, actually the
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way that she even got brought in into true crime is so, so interesting
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So when we get back, we're gonna be talking to Tammy MB cha.
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I'm so I was actually in my van.
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I had slept there in the middle of like converting it and yeah
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I got broken into when I was like asleep in the van.
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I, I kind of lived my life a little bit more trusting again.
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Like you don't think it's gonna happen to you until it happens
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All right, you guys, we are back with our incredible guest
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I'm so excited about this.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and give them a quick little bit about
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you because you started off as a Hollywood costume designer
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And then that's when it kind of started intriguing you everything
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paranormal and you started your own podcast series and you've
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worked in a lot of different areas of the paranormal world
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but really the deep roots of this started in New Orleans,
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right from what I understand.
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So you're somebody that can actually sit there and hand.
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So much true crime and paranormal stuff because it's not built
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She's like, complete opposite of that.
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So, tell me a little bit about, like, your intrigue in this
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because again, it's not for everybody.
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It's not for everybody.
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It's definitely not for everyone.
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But I think it should be for a lot of us women too.
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There is a sisterhood when it comes to true crime because it's
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predominantly made up of women because it's for women to learn
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how to survive, not only to protect themselves but to survive
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in a society where the justices are not always in our favor
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So that is the reality of it, especially with the high rates
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of femicide, the high rates of female victims are on the rise
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I mean, this is a way for us to fight and learn how to survive
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Yeah, that's, don't, don't you think that?
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I, I agree because I think when we were talking about this,
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like, I never thought about that perspective.
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I guess I'm always like on edge and hyper vigilant from being
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I'm like, I'm on the train.
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Anybody, anything can happen.
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But don't you think that maybe it CRE creates like a sense of
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paranoia sometimes like a little bit too much.
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It could create a fine line.
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Yeah, I mean, it's a double edged sword.
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It is a double edged sword when it comes to true crime and a lot
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of us can get a little too immersed in it to where it could cause
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Has that ever happened to you?
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Um Yes, there are times where I've had to literally step back
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away and just say I need to take a break.
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I need a, I need a pallet cleanse.
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Do you consider yourself a true crime expert?
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No, no one is, no one is necessarily a true crime expert because
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I mean, we're not equipped and we're not educated to be experts
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We're all armchair detectives.
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We're just here to commentate and tell us.
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So what was like the first story that really like pulled you
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into this world and intrigued you to keep studying and getting
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Yeah, because I mean, everybody has that moment where you're
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like that first spark, you know.
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Yeah, that first spark started with the case of Selena Quintanilla
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I told you I told you, but I'm six degree separation from it
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because my mom worked for a law firm that represented a lot
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of the police officers and negotiators that handled the apprehension
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of Yolanda Saldivar.
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The most hated Latina.
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I hate her so much as her pretend character on screen.
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I hated her as well.
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But I'm wondering so what, what's the, what, what was your
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What did you get that the people that we didn't get to see full
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Yanda just killed Selena in cold blood is what it was she had
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So it was she lost control of her friend.
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She lost control is what it is, is because she knew that she
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was in the wrong with a lot of things that she was doing, taking
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a funds, taking of money, taking advantage of her and the family
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And at some point she broke.
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And if you go back to her upbringing, it also describes a different
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Like her upbringing was pretty rough.
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She had a very rough childhood growing up.
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She was often believe, believed not only by her parents but
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I mean, she transferred to different high schools, different
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And I mean, she had a hard time trying to connect and here she
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had Selena that she could connect with.
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It was like her best.
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It was like someone that she, but then it was somebody that
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was also gaining more notoriety that as a, as a friend, you're
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like, yeah, you feel like you're losing him, which no, obviously
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But from her mind, that's like her standpoint.
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You think like psychologically that's what made her top off
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There's always a debate.
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Was it nature versus nurture a lot of times for a lot of these
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perpetrators, it's, is it, is it nurture?
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But is it nature holding the gun at the same time?
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What is like the through line for most in most of these cases
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Do you think like the with the reasoning of these murders and
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things like that it's over there or is there?
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It's hard to say it's so some of them, some of them, for some
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of them, you know, it's just based on the nurturing, it's how
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they're brought up and then, you know, exactly.
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Let me take an example for Jeffrey Dahmer.
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You know, like we just knew that Jeffrey just wasn't right
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growing up based on the stories that we've read about him and
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articles, he just wasn't right.
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And he has no remorse whatsoever for any of the victims that
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he had murdered and killed in his time, no remorse whatsoever
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There's no follow through either.
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And it's just like a sociopath.
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It's just like they, they're a sociopath because I was telling
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him like, before I, do you watch like interviews?
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Like, I like a jail cell of just like straight sociopaths and
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there is nothing there, nothing behind the eye, right?
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Have you ever gotten to interview?
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Gotten like, not that, you know, I don't know.
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I just think it's so interesting.
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But have you ever been able to sit down with a sociopath and
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interview them the way that they do like these interviews
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Would you ever want to?
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I, I would like to sit in on an interview but not to you one because
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it messes with your.
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So why does he like intrigue you so much?
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I want to know that for a lot of people we want to know, especially
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I think what attracts women.
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Let's just start there.
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What attracts us mainly to these cases.
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And to these individuals is that we're one step closer to something
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We're, we're very close to something primitive to stare at
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something so primal in the face entices us.
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It's just part of our human nature and this is as close as we're
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You know, it's so interesting you bring this up because I don't
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know whoever seen like night Stalker.
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I don't know if you guys remember, but there was like a whole
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This man is obviously going around killing people in cold
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blood in the middle of their sleep like or in the middle, like
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in their house in the middle of the night.
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So there was a whole section of women in these trials like in
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Like, I mean, like fans, it was the Night Stalker, right?
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You know what I'm talking about?
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Like Ramirez was later coded as uh being the death row.
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Like this is a man that will kill you and yet women and this is
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like taking it a step further as to women that are really into
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Like there's a whole, there's a, there's a term for that, that's
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So what exactly hyperopia is under the umbrella term of paraphilia
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So you have all the pelias, all the weird fias, like even the
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filia and the phobias.
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Yeah, the, the filia and the phobias are so true.
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Like you have pedophilia.
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You know, that's, you know, the attraction to young Children
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But there's also hyperopia which is the sexual attraction
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to serial killers and criminals.
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So there's two forms of hyperopia.
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There's the form where women such as the women that pined for
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Ted Bundy and even Ted Bundy also, even Jeffrey Dahmer.
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You know, um they are under the section a of hyperopia where
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they will fall in love.
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I could take care of him.
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I could nurture will come for me.
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He won't come for me.
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But then there's type e hyperopia where it's the women that
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will kill for them that will kill and be with you.
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What's the name of the guy that it's like a kind of different
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But the cult Charles and didn't he have like a whole group of
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girls that were like they went out to do the, the LaBianca murders
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and the Sharon Tate murders as well.
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How being involved in true crime affect your personal relationship
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Do you talk about, do you have a partner at times?
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Not, not, sometimes he doesn't want to hear it but he just like
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rolls his eyes or he'll like overhear a conversation that
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I'll have with a friend over the phone about a certain crime
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or a case and he would just be like, I don't know why you like
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But then again, I think that's my question.
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Like for me, I don't find it productive, right?
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I said this is the most respectful way.
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Like, I just don't know, like why people get fascinated with
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these cases just watching it for like fun.
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I just can't ration like it just doesn't make sense in my brain
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And there's some people that, that do watch it for fun, but
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there's also victims that watch it because it's their way
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to treat their own traumas.
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And there's been several podcasts that have actually participated
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in finding clues and finding things that re open cases.
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I think that for me is so fascinating where, like, I think you
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I think you, you don't call yourself an expert where but maybe
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that like help somebody find justice.
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But like when it's just kind of like, I don't know, like, I just
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can't be like, I'm watching this to go to sleep and I'm like
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and actually so many women do want it to go to sleep.
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There's actually people comfort in it earlier that and I read
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too that research says that it's like a primitive thing that
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because murders and rapes and violence that has been part
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of our society for so long, it's kind of a way to like, protect
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ourselves and our kin with the other subconsciously, like
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not really knowing, like, not really knowing why, but we
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wanna protect, uh, like it's innately in our DNA without even
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knowing if it's not personal.
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I think, like we were talking about, I think there's a fine
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line between, obviously completely not consuming it and
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consuming it all the time.
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You have to find, I think that right line, especially as women
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because you learn, I have learned so much from cases.
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I mean, even think about the Selena case Now it's like, ok,
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you think a little bit more about your friendships?
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What red flags are you saying?
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Obviously, not everybody is gonna turn out to be like a Yolanda
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But again, like what kind of child?
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I mean, these are all things again as women not.
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And I think this is why women find so much comfort sometimes
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in watching it is because it's like, ok, I can learn a survival
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instinct or what did this person to potentially escape from
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Jeffrey Dahmer or like, you know, whatever it might be a.
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So it's like, it's kind of like that Survivor part.
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What is a story that has like really stuck with you?
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And that has like, and some pointers or some advice you can
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get give others because of that story.
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It was the case of Vanessa again, who was this 20 year old military
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specialist out of fort hood Texas and it took her murder and
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her case to open the eyes of the public and the media about so
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many wrongdoings within the military.
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After her case came out, so many women, specifically women
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of color in the military who are going in to serve for their
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country are being abused by these superiors of theirs.
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You know, they're being and, and don't mean to be so triggering
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but raped and she was the one who actually her case blew up.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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And it's very triggering.
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Yeah, I was, and I think it did bring attention to other, there
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were like other murders and that's even people that are still
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missing from those still missing from military base.
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Uh those uh barracks and stuff.
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Yes, those bases, I guess for me, like, why do some cases get
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Like Jody, I think I forgot her name, Jody.
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The Jody died hair blondes right before she killed her man
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Uh why do some cases get sensationalized and some like, don't
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even go, oh, I like, don't get any publicity.
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Like, why do you think that there is a study out there with sociologists
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that have come up with the white woman victim syndrome?
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And it's when the white woman victims are overwhelming, overwhelmingly
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over sensationalized by the media eye.
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It's always the missing white woman who is upper middle class
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very attractive and now their story is all over the news.
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And um you know, this is kind of like what we saw with the Gabby
20:21
Petito case, but I remember that I wanted to do family life
20:25
So I followed that very closely because her life was being
20:27
followed, you know, on social media, people were following
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her life getting to know her and then all of a sudden she's gone
20:33
but then people neglected to remember the 30 indigenous
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women that went missing during that same time.
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So here we are with this overwhelming over sensationalized
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And then you have all these other women from these different
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communities going missing and being murdered.
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Even in true crime like Latinos and minorities don't get the
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the attention in the light that they could.
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Now we are ladies and tell us how you have.
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That's something that you pass, pass about because these
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are stories that matter.
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You know, we have so many, we have so many people coming up.
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It's been a study recently shown that now 46% of women behind
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the podcast mics are Latinas.
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That's the true crime girl.
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Listen to sisters that kill.
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That's a really good one that NAO is another one that's really
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I wonder why we are now and coming into a society where we're
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realizing that a lot of the stories are mainly told by white
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And I think it's time for us to really go behind the mics and
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tell the stories of those that are not often heard about.
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Do you, I was gonna ask that, do you feel like sometimes because
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maybe there's a serial killer out there that's watching a
21:45
True Crime podcast or something or a Netflix series and they're
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seeing the glory, like, not the glory, but it is in a way sensa
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Do you ever feel like that can inspire people to be like, damn
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like, look at, look at all the attention they're getting
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They got a whole Netflix series or whatever.
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Like, I mean, I'm talking crazy people.
22:04
Look at this and they're like, maybe I, because I think it was
22:07
it like the night stalker that talked about that he's like
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I wanted to be, I aimed to be the next big killer because he saw
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how much attention other killers were getting.
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You know what I mean?
22:16
Because I mean, the eighties was definitely a setting for
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a lot of these serial killers.
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Like the eighties was for, like, was ready for Richard Ramirez
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That's what it pretty much was.
22:27
And he set the stage and set the stage and he, he loves the attention
22:34
He would like, look at the camera and like, oh my God, I mean
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that's how he got a lot of attention, especially with the
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So, I mean, he took advantage of every moment he can with the
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sensationalism and with the court trials and everything
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Like he knew what he was doing, he knew very well what he was
22:51
Like I just feel like, and I get it, like a lot of people, like
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white media gets a lot of attention.
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But like, I think sometimes there's certain stories that
22:59
Like, I feel like they were college students.
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Like, I know what it's like to live off campus and like, it just
23:04
made my brain, like, really have like retroactive anxiety
23:08
of like, I know what it's like to be off campus in a random house
23:11
and you just not, it's just personal haunting stories.
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I have one but I don't want le let's talk true crime, personal
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stories that have haunted us and anyone that's watching just
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drop their story in the comments that we can discuss this and
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um we'll see what you have one.
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What's yours besides OJ?
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Well, I, I think I kind of talked about this.
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I did talk about this briefly but I got like, I was in my van because
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ok, you guys know I'm like trying to convert my van and I'm
23:39
trying to like travel the country and it mind you very scary
23:41
if you're like a girl solo female traveler living out like
23:46
a van life type thing.
23:48
But, but here's the thing, I'm thankful for.
23:52
I'm so scared already.
23:53
I know but I, I, I think you're so excited about Van Life after
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I, because here's my thing, I'm not gonna live my life.
24:03
I understand like it's scary.
24:05
But I can't also live my life just petrified all the time.
24:08
I can be, look at the night stalker, you could be in your own
24:10
home and something could happen.
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There's gonna be fear at every facet.
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But what I'm thankful for true crime is it, it makes me more
24:16
So I was actually in my van, I had slept there in the middle of
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like converting it and I was parked on Hollywood Boulevard
24:24
Like, ok, listen, this is what I'm saying.
24:30
Listen, I just got here and I know that's not a place apart,
24:34
of course, and mind you, I'm like an L A local, but sometimes
24:36
I'm a little bit trusting of the world and I, and sometimes
24:41
I can think, you know, what, what, what could happen to me and
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yeah, I got broken into when I was like asleep in the van.
24:46
Wait, wait, wait, what, why do you say?
24:50
Why would you, you were parked on holy ground for what reason
24:53
So I was just, I was like, knocked out there.
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I didn't want to drive home because it was like a really late
24:58
night and I lived really, really far.
24:59
So I had like, I had like a sleeping situation where I'm like
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ok, you know what, I'm just gonna knock out here and take a
25:04
Sorry, I, I ended up sleeping there the entire night and then
25:09
I woke up to so many of my things stolen out of my van, I was like
25:14
It was like such an intense moment for me, which actually deterred
25:18
me from wanting to do Van Life for the longest time because
25:21
I was like, this is scary.
25:22
Like what happens when I'm in the middle of, who knows where
25:25
in the middle of the US.
25:26
Luckily I had like my friends come in that were able to come
25:29
in and like help me in that situation.
25:31
But again, I think true crime helps people like me in the sense
25:34
of OK, be more aware of your surroundings, especially when
25:36
you're dealing with something that traumatic.
25:38
It's like, yeah, you're a little bit more aware of your situations
25:41
You're more like double checking the doors because again
25:44
I, I kind of lived my life a little bit more trusting again
25:47
Like you don't think it's gonna happen to you until it happens
25:51
I feel like I just never need a true crime.
25:53
Like I know like I'm, I'm new to L A so I know that people don't
25:56
look behind the door when they close the door.
25:58
Like I make sure I lock the door like I don't care where I'm going
26:02
I bought one of those like viral like safety things, whatever
26:04
Like I just feel like I think like when you live in a ma a major
26:08
city, like, like this is just common sense like to just always
26:11
be like super vigilant but I just, I have a clarifying question
26:14
We talking about Hollywood Boulevard with the stars.
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Hollywood it was in Hollywood.
26:19
It wasn't like, it was off it, like, in one of, like the neighborhood
26:22
I wasn't, like, parked next to the stars even then I feel like
26:26
that would have been better than the situation I was in.
26:29
But again, I think it was just like a late night I really wasn't
26:31
thinking and I think, you know, it's one of those like, really
26:34
It was like a really hard moment.
26:36
And again, like, Van life has been my dream for a long time and
26:38
I could be like, I'm not doing this anymore, but I've been wanting
26:41
to do it for so long.
26:42
I like to travel the world road trip style that I'm gonna continue
26:46
to push forward and do it.
26:48
But again, with a little bit more understanding of like, yeah
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there's not, there's a lot of bad people in the world that's
26:55
But there's also a lot of good people.
26:59
I mean, it's, it's gonna have the good in the back.
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Yeah, I will say my last story is like a month ago.
27:04
I was at my parents' house which is, it's, it's in a good neighborhood
27:07
and I parked my car in the daytime, went to take my dog on a walk
27:12
came back and I see my bag, like my bag that was in my car in the
27:17
middle of the street, like two streets away from my house.
27:19
And I was like, wait, I just came home, somebody went into my
27:23
car in the middle of the day in this nice neighborhood and to
27:26
rob my stuff and threw the rest of the stuff in the middle of
27:29
So like you and then I went on the, I went on, there's like a,
27:32
an app that shows you what you do and it said like this, it's
27:35
Rob or Rob like five houses that day.
27:38
So the app, yeah, there's like, there's people that, that's
27:41
like the thing is like people go out and do multiple things
27:45
That's like their full time job.
27:46
Yeah, I mean, there's misdemeanors and then there's, you
27:49
know, killing sprees and serial killers.
27:51
I love the way you guys just heal from these traumatic because
27:56
it's not easy still.
27:58
Like uh there's something I'm holding in that I don't wanna
28:00
say like something happened in where I live.
28:03
It was back to back murders.
28:04
Like, so I just, that's why I just feel like I just don't, I,
28:08
I just feel like it's weird that people are fat.
28:11
I was terrified for like all like it happened back to back.
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I went every time I left.
28:15
So I was like every time me and my cousin went on vacation it
28:18
was a fucking murder.
28:19
So I just feel like it's just weird.
28:20
It was like near me.
28:22
I just, I am still traumatized and I'm like processing it right
28:26
I'm like, you guys are like, oh my God, I'm moving on.
28:27
Somebody stole my shit.
28:29
No, I'm not saying, OK, but first off, I'm not saying it like
28:32
somebody broke into my van.
28:33
I'm saying somebody broke into my van.
28:35
It's taken like years to heal, but I have to move on with my life
28:38
and I have to understand that these things happen and to, you
28:42
know, keep, honestly, keep tuning into things like this where
28:44
you can learn from the world can be a dark place sometimes.
28:48
And we need to continue learning and educating ourselves
28:51
And honestly, thank you so much.
28:53
By the way, I know it's hard but I, I need a drink after, I don't
28:59
know what's happening, but I second thought too and when we
29:02
come back, we can talk about phobias and fears and, and hypnotism
29:06
and all these and all the other parts of this and all the, I don't
29:13
Well, we're gonna play a game, a phobia.
29:20
I, I think you got GMO Gloria is coming for you today.
29:24
What I'm just saying?
29:30
All right, let's get down to some sips, tips with Tammy, bringing
29:35
her hometown drink to us.
29:38
Tell us a little bit about what this drink is where it came from
29:41
and you like to drink.
29:42
You had a very strong, that's how we do.
29:49
What are we, what are we sipping right now?
29:50
Well, I'm originally from New Orleans and I'm from the big
29:53
easy and if you're local then you know about the strength
29:56
This is called the flaming Dr Pepper and its claim that it was
29:59
invented and a little bar called the Gold Mine Saloon off of
30:03
Dauphine Street in the French quarter.
30:05
So this is definitely an intense drink and you know that you're
30:10
from New Orleans if you know that and what, what is it made of
30:15
You got some rum and you got some Amaretto and you got to dunk
30:18
it down in a, like in a, in a pint.
30:21
So yeah, it's like a New Orleans sake bomb but like strong,
30:26
which I love it is very strong.
30:27
Have dr pepper in it.
30:29
Yes, it's gonna have, it should have Dr pepper in it.
30:31
It should be a flame in Dr pepper because you're gonna light
30:33
it and then you're gonna dunk it in the pint.
30:35
I'm gonna be honest.
30:35
I never really had that pepper.
30:38
First time for everything you did it turn your hair red.
30:42
I mean, I don't know.
30:45
This is why probably New Orleans has all this freaky stuff
30:48
happening because you guys are drinking this thinking you're
30:50
But it's really because you're doing that well, that's why
30:52
they call it spirits for a reason.
30:54
You're being possessed by a different form of spirits here
30:58
So it's the alcohol.
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Oh, do I just check it out?
31:05
You guys, hey, seriously, I'm so slow at this.
31:07
Do not make fun of me.
31:08
So funny that this is our night cap.
31:10
You drink it, wait, do you just drink it?
31:15
You got, you gotta pound it.
31:17
So to New Orleans, to New Orleans Tammy?
31:22
Or, or no New Orleans?
31:26
It's gonna just be us checking it.
31:32
Where's your workers are like, I'm feeling it.
31:39
I'm gonna be honest.
31:40
I don't think I'll be able to finish this.
31:41
I wasn't good at drinking coffee.
31:44
Oh, it's actually really smooth.
31:47
I will tell you and I love that.
31:49
It's strong but you don't, it's like this, the sweetness,
31:53
the sweetness of the, what is it called?
31:55
Amaretto, the sweetness of the Amaretto takes away that the
31:58
bitterness of the beer.
31:59
So it makes it kind of like a, like a syrupy taste so good.
32:04
All right, you guys, well, phobias are like an extreme or irrational
32:08
Um What are you most afraid of?
32:10
What do you, what can you like?
32:11
Are we gonna go down the line and I forget the name of it, but
32:15
it's like, I don't even know how to describe it, but it's a fear
32:17
of just a lot of how would you say it?
32:22
But anyway, it's like, it's like a bunch of like holes or texture
32:26
dots and it's just like cluster and it's so disgusting.
32:29
And if they show a picture of you guys, I'm so sorry in advance
32:32
I don't even wanna look, I don't even want to look at the screen
32:35
because it, uh, it makes my skin crawl and I can't, I'm not even
32:39
gonna try Phobe or like even thinking about it makes me crazy
32:44
Do you guys feel this or is it just me?
32:45
No, I don't feel that at all.
32:46
It's a version to objects that have repetitive patterns or
32:49
clusters of small holes.
32:50
I just a bunch of little small holes.
32:52
I cannot, I do well with like swimming in the Caribbean with
32:56
coral reef like this.
32:57
Give me like a coral reef.
32:58
See, I I and I get, but what does it make you feel?
33:01
Does it make you feel fear?
33:02
Does it make you feel like disgusted?
33:04
What does it make you feel?
33:06
What about, what about Gloria?
33:08
I don't like people in mascots like it's not Halloween costume
33:11
like in specific mascots.
33:13
Like people that like Barney, I would, if you guys brought
33:16
Barney up in here, I would be so tight.
33:18
So that, that's called Max Phobia.
33:20
Like some, you see that be that um penguin.
33:23
Like it just scared me.
33:25
It, I don't know, like I feel like my spirit.
33:27
It does not sit irrational fear of mass and people in costume
33:31
I never, I didn't know that even exists.
33:33
Mine is so weird but ever since I was little, I can handle it
33:37
but even saying it makes my mo my mouth like like jolt.
33:40
It's the felt of the top of a car and like scratching it with
33:45
Like that sound friction.
33:47
No, the sound, the friction like it makes me almost wanna throw
33:50
And I don't know exactly what it is that the Misophonia strongest
33:55
like in hatred of certain sounds so like nails on a chalkboard
34:00
It's, it's really bad.
34:02
It's, it's actually debilitating sometimes for me.
34:07
I have a fear of heights.
34:08
I, oh my palms get sweaty.
34:10
My feet feel very heavy.
34:12
I, I remember when I tried to visit the Golden Gate Bridge,
34:15
I couldn't even walk on it.
34:16
I was like, hey, can you, can you fly?
34:19
Um I can, I can if I close my eyes, I have my my little mask but
34:23
I can't have a window seat that I can be in a seat.
34:30
I love the window seat.
34:32
I need the window seat.
34:34
If I could pay extra, I'm paying for the window seat.
34:37
We're gonna play a game, we're gonna play a game.
34:39
We're gonna do a phobia face off.
34:42
Yeah, we're going to break down phobias.
34:44
Some of I might not be able to say some of these words because
34:46
English is my second language, but we have some phobias lined
34:49
up and you're gonna guess what it is just from the name.
34:53
If you get it right.
34:54
You got a point and it's super simple.
34:57
So are you ready to potentially bring it on?
35:01
So the, the first phobia is Pogo.
35:05
No Phobia, homophobia like Latin.
35:14
So everybody goes down the line, Ivana first guess what is
35:16
Just say it like maybe jump, jump up and down Pono or like be
35:31
Why would I, I don't have that record?
35:36
I love, oh no, Shave, November and Lumberjacks are your enemies
35:43
They are my best friends.
35:47
I would tell my husband to grow that beard, grow that beard
35:52
First of all, Ivana, let me read them.
35:58
Fear of gaming isn't in the first three words.
36:10
I don't know dinosaurs.
36:20
I, I think you got GMO.
36:24
I'm just calling all situations.
36:27
Is that your intuition?
36:29
It, I'm just being, I definitely don't have g I'm trying to
36:33
to open A, I think every airline has GMO, Xanthophobia, Xantho
36:39
It's even like demons afraid of demons of charms.
36:45
I, I honestly I couldn't even tell you yellow.
36:49
Why would you be afraid of it?
36:51
There's genuinely people out there that like, see yellow
36:54
and like create it and create it.
36:56
Imagine they avoid school buses.
37:02
Oh, they can't be Latino and, and it would probably drop the
37:06
It would probably no Dominicans are, are I I love the color
37:10
yellow, yellow is the color of Yemen job.
37:16
Oh man, I've never heard of these.
37:19
I think it's fear of, of ear wax.
37:25
I'm trying to think like chewing like you.
37:28
Chewing the uh who has phobia at me every day?
37:39
Definitely wouldn't work as an excuse on Latino parents who
37:41
tell us to work as a solution to boredom or depression.
37:44
So you just like phobia in the Latin community?
37:47
You like frolicking during the day and not doing it.
37:50
You just need to go outside.
37:52
Wait, who is winning the game?
37:54
Nobody I think, I think you know that we have one more aluminum
38:01
This is when you're allergic to Reynolds, wrap the air pollution
38:05
Reynolds don't tell me you don't use Reynolds.
38:11
He is up for failure.
38:18
Nobody on this plane is scared of, of as long as you're everything
38:23
other than avocados.
38:27
So why you, who's the winner?
38:34
Hopefully the watchers are better than us on this one.
38:39
But don't go anywhere.
38:40
We have a surprise for you ladies.
38:44
I have a surprise for you, Ivan specifically for you.
38:47
Yeah, I wanna, I wanna know what that is.
38:49
She had brought something up that I didn't realize was a trigger
38:53
So she was like, oh like this 911 affect you and you know, I'm
38:56
from New York actually, I am still traumatized from this experience
39:00
It was a terrorism attack.
39:05
So I know we're talking a little bit about like our phobias
39:08
I know we all have them.
39:10
How do you guys like handle that?
39:11
I'm gonna start with you Gloria because I do feel like you honestly
39:14
just you have phobias girl.
39:17
Like I don't know like how you're dealing with.
39:20
Well, we're all dealing with phobias.
39:21
How do you guys deal with like our overarching things that
39:25
you know, the things that we're scared of like the things that
39:26
actually like you feel in your soul, like you're scared of
39:29
like how are we dealing with that?
39:31
So I, I know I can take that I've helped you with your fear of
39:35
First of all, you just wanted that on camera.
39:37
You just said that, I said that you said that on camera.
39:41
So how have you faced those people?
39:43
I'm gonna, but this is like a real time thing.
39:45
Like, it's not like, uh I'm facing him every day.
39:47
Like I actually hate flying.
39:48
I fly here like a few times.
39:50
I fly, I've been flying all year and I think me and Ivana, if
39:53
you wanna put it out there, Ivana got on my nerves.
39:55
We were out drinking and she was like, do you want me to say?
40:01
Well, she, she had brought something up that I didn't realize
40:03
was a trigger for me.
40:04
So she was like, oh, like does 911 affect you?
40:07
And you know, I'm from New York.
40:08
So I didn't realize that.
40:11
And then once you brought it to life, it did sit in my head.
40:14
It came, I guess it was back here and it said it came up here.
40:16
I was like, yo, like, actually I'm still traumatized from
40:20
It was a terrorism attack.
40:21
So I'm traumatized, but I feel like I have a therapist and she
40:25
was like, you gotta just go to the flight with your eye and my
40:28
therapist shouldn't be giving me that advice.
40:29
But I just got through it.
40:30
What I feel like if I have a fear, I just face it head on, let me
40:33
jump out of this plane.
40:34
Let me, let me go into this life.
40:37
Let me just face it.
40:38
You hate heights and you jumped out of a jump out of a plane,
40:41
you jumped out of a plane.
40:43
My cousin, I'm so close to my cousin, I'm so close to my prima
40:47
and in New Orleans she found this place that did like skydiving
40:51
and she's like, I'm gonna do it and I followed her and I saw her
40:54
go out of the plane and parachute and I was like, no, she goes
40:58
down, that's a promise.
40:59
We always had, she goes down, I go down and that's, that's,
41:02
that's what your mom like to fo if your friends do that, you're
41:07
You know, and, and, and for me, I went down and I blacked out
41:11
I believe you actually, you know those videos of where somebody's
41:14
like on a slingshot and they're like, yes, I know what I'm talking
41:17
because I had the instructor behind me.
41:19
He was like waking, he was like pinching me.
41:20
I was like, oh yeah.
41:22
I'm like 15,000 ft away.
41:24
You did raw face, your fear?
41:26
Have you ever thought about, yeah.
41:28
You raw dog that fear?
41:29
Have you ever thought about maybe getting some like intervention
41:32
like, maybe hypnotherapy or something like that in a while
41:38
I haven't done it yet.
41:39
I've been so intrigued about it.
41:41
Well, I have a surprise.
41:44
Um, as you all know it.
41:45
Um, I, I love my girl Ivano finally.
41:53
You in the beginning I loved you forever.
41:56
Um, and I decided to set up a hypnotherapy session for you and
42:01
What are we hypnotherapy?
42:02
What I want you, you help me get over a fear and I want you to get
42:08
So we're, I'm dead ass.
42:10
So we're going to, that's a New York right now.
42:15
We're gonna go on an off site like after, you know, we've been
42:19
behind the scene and I'm gonna have you get hypnotized.
42:23
Do you know what you wanna do?
42:24
You have any fears you wanna address like love career?
42:27
Like I wanna, I wanna hit like my golden hour of life.
42:30
Like, how do I get hypnotized to like, like put the pedal to
42:34
What do you think it's gonna do?
42:35
Like, I, I wanna know like, what do I, I don't think I let go of
42:39
distraction, let go of doubts.
42:42
Like just stay focused like tunnel vision.
42:44
I wanna be here to be in my tunnel vision because I know exactly
42:46
what I want and where I wanna be and who I wanna be.
42:49
Like, how do I get there faster?
42:50
I'm gonna, I'm so excited.
42:52
Um Tammy, I know that we're about to wrap up.
42:54
I just wanna thank you for your transparency.
42:59
One of my favorite guys only because I love, I love and I appreciate
43:05
Can you shout out any of your socials binge?
43:10
Well, I'm at Haunted L A Girl on tiktok and you can follow me
43:14
in my podcast at Hollywood Paranormal on Instagram and Facebook
43:19
And of course, the formerly known website is Twitter of X.
43:22
We're also at HWP podcast and yeah, this has been our episode
43:26
Let me tell you see, this was a true crime episode.
43:30
I'm gonna let the girls know that I solved the murder of the
43:32
Los Angeles killer in Beverly Hills.
43:36
Come look at my shit down.
43:38
I worked really hard.
43:43
You gotta believe me.
43:44
So there's this man, he used to be a football player was badly
43:48
in love with this woman.
43:49
I think she maybe cheated on her.
43:52
I'm a little nervous because we just got to the hypnotherapist
43:55
office and glory thinks that I'm getting hypnotized.
43:58
But in reality, the twist is she's gonna get hypnotized to
44:02
get over her fear of flying.
44:04
And like, honestly, this might go either way because she might
44:06
be totally against it because she's so scared of it or her life
44:11
might change starting today.
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So let's see what she says.
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Let's go Gloria, what Ivana, what's up?
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You say hi to do some ation.
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Well, listen, the cameras are here because this is how, why
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is anybody from work here?
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It's not me that's getting hypnotized.
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You're getting hypnotized today.
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How did you manage to, because listen, you have a big, big fear
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Obviously, I don't even wanna say the word.
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I don't wanna say the, I'm not gonna say because I wanna have
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a friend after today and, and I want you to be better and get
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better and be able to be bi coastal and don't have to worry about
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She's so scared because I love you.
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I'm gonna do this, but I just want you to know this is pushing
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me completely out of my comfort zone.
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Are you down to be there today?
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I promise, I promise I'm gonna have a positive attitude.
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She's really scared like I can't even mention a plane without
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us getting into a fight.
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And I had no idea like the depth of her scared.
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I'm about to go into the brown chair and my brain is one of my
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most valuable possessions.
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It's worth billions of dollars.
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So I'm about to hand it over to you for you to help me navigate
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My mind is worth millions of dollars.
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What we're going to do today is that we are going to put you in
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such a deeply relaxed state that your brain's wavelengths
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drop, your mind opens up and that creates this window of opportunity
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where your mind can really absorb positive suggestions and
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all of the suggestions I'm gonna give you are totally positive
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so you can just relax and go with it in order for this to work
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Loreli just want it to work.
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You don't have to believe in it, just want it to work and go with
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I am helping you navigate your mind, but it's always you who
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OK, Gloria, I'm committed.
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I'm about to watch glory get hypnotized and deep sleep which
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and every single time I say the word so deep sleep or deeper
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allow yourself to go to this depth or even deeper from this
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moment on, allow yourself to just really let go.
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Loreli imagine and visualize in your mind's eye that the most
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soothing and relaxing color is at the tips of your toes.
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And this beautiful color has the ability to make you feel the
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way you like to feel.
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She's either really into it or inside.
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She's like try not to laugh three to one zero.
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You feel so safe and you're so ridiculously happy.
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You're gonna grow to be a little old lady who has so many loved
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ones who live such a great life.
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You are gonna live this long life and you always remember that
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G Lois, you are in God's hands, you are safe, safe on land, safe
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And your mind understands that airplanes were made to fly
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She said it took a brain massage and that's exactly what it
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feels like her voice and like the energy from even over the
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phone over here watching, I'm like, you're so relaxed and
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now in just a moment I'm gonna count from 0 to 5.
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And when I get to five, you're gonna open your eyes and you're
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gonna come back to full room awareness and you're gonna come
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back with all the positive suggestions that I've given you
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that they are all true.
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The zero 12 you feel so empowered 34.
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It's safe to be you Glore and five.
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Awake and feeling great and good job girl.
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It was really, I mean it felt like I was in a meditative state
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Your voice is so soothing.
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It was just so nice to have I guess I, I guess like when I get on
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a plane, I'm like, oh my God, this is the end but it was so nice
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for you to give me a picture of like girl, there's so much more
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like this is not even this has, this is so small compared to
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how much bigger your life is.
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I've never pictured myself as an old lady.
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Yay, I'm so happy that I got to work with you sis.
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Hey, Ivanna, what did I look like?
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You were like so relaxed?
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Like literally you were you really went under?
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I mean, that's what I felt.
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I felt like I was just focused on like a lot of like just thinking
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like just being calm.
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It was so cool to watch you.
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I fell asleep like twice.
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So I was having a life.
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I don't know what happened.
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I was at the beach, I was drinking drinks.
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I was having the time of my life.
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Well, Ivana, you know, I love what I love about my job is that
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I get to actually live my.
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So it's like part like I have to like, you know, I just feel like
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we we've crossed, we bumped heads not in a bad way but like you
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were just being like yourself and you didn't.
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Look, I promise this ends.
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Well, no, you said something that I didn't realize was affecting
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me like I was sharing a thing and for you, like you said like
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in the waiting room, it's like girl, it's another flight but
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I was like, no, this is not another flight.
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And the jour I love that the journey even though like you accidentally
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triggered it now you're like actually part of the journey
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I know who would have thought I would, I just feel proud of myself
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for actually taking steps to find solutions.
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I know a lot of the time we have like these fears and these things
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and it's like I don't wanna live it like that anymore.
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Like I wanna live in peace.
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So I'm excited to have my girls this season with me and to really
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grow more than we could ever imagine.
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So this has been another episode of girl.
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Thank you for being part of this journey with us.
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